[ds968]

It has a lot to do with image . A Subaru WRX STI is an unbelievable performance car, and cheap ! But would anyone here buy one ?

Same for Corvettes - the stigma is tough to live with. And I'm sure the RX7 or 300 ZX or the Toyota Supra Turbo are a blast to drive, and comparable to the 968 in performance ( although no match in handling ) but no one expects to see someone older than a 17-year old driving them. If you do, there most be something wrong with you ..or at least that's the perception. No one with any self respect would pick those cars over a 968. IMHO

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[Rap]

Man do you cover the entire spectrum. Quick tell me what I'm thinking right now?

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[ds968]

That I'm the embodiment of the adage " older and wiser " ?

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[968Syncro]

"Same for Corvettes - the stigma is tough to live with."

• That is one of my struggles, I've been in nothing but Porsches for 27 years.
  
• But around here, as I see the C5s around town, it seems to be mostly guys or gals in their 40s and 50s.
  

"No one with any self respect would pick those cars over a 968."

• self respect may be an overrated concept, especially here in SoCal where admiration from others appears to be the most highly valued personal attribute "awesome dude".     [outward status is everything, forget the content of your character!]
  

Since Dan is so open, I'll try....... in the past I always saw Corvettes as blue collar, and Porsches as white collar, but I am changing my prejudice -- hey guys, is it OK if I grow and change?   :whine:

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[Cloud9...68]

 but no one expects to see someone older than a 17-year old driving them. If you do, there most be something wrong with you

 

Hey, I resemble that comment, having chosen an RX7 over a 968 when they were new.  Kidding - I understand what you're saying, and you have a good point.  I just don't quite understand why.  But for the time being, at least, the prices of the 968's contemporary competitors appear to be very comparable to 968's - if anything, maybe slightly higher for the RX7 (probably due to the uniqueness and extinction of the rotary engine, and the car's good looks), and definitely higher for the Supra (probably because of the limitless tunability of its bullet-proof engine), but it wouldn't surprise me if this changes over the coming years, because I do agree that the 968 does have more of a "maturity factor" than a lot of other older cars.

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[flash]

ok - perception question, as i'm having a hard time nailing this one down

 

my car - currently the fastest 50 state legal 968 in the country.  62k on the car.  340hp, new supercharged engine (balanced and blueprinted, oversize pistons, ceramic coated bearings, ported and polished, stiffer valve springs for 7500 rpm redline), rebuilt transaxle, new super bearings in a powder coated torque tube, 12 speaker 900W full nav stereo with XM, ipod, yada yada, custom made heated recaro seats, new custom made zip out window top, full leather interior, 300# wheel rate progressive hydraulic shock suspension with custom made swaybars, HRE 547R wheels............... do i need to go on?

 

so, here's the question, given the build of the car, its history and pedigree, what is the perception of value?

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[type968]

so, here's the question, given the build of the car, its history and pedigree, what is the perception of value?

 

I think you have to find the right person for the car, it really is beauty in the eye of the beholder.  If I was looking for a slick looking convertible 968 transaxle car that had all the mods I could ever ask for, I would be interested in your car. 

 

If I was just looking for a nice 968 convertible and didn't care about all the extras, then no, I would not be paying for all the extras you wanted, I mean it is kinda like house, just because someone spent 100,000 on a fancy pool in the back yard, doesnt mean there are a ton of people that want and appreciate that.

 

I found immense value in my 968 that I paid about 10k for because it had 10k+ of track ready mods, and I did not want to spend that, but myself, and probably most people are not interested in that.

 

It seems on market, all those extra factory options people may pay 20% of the value of the car for are worth a few %extra if they are lucky, as my experience, we at humans look at does it do what I want, color I want and what is the cheapest price

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[ds968]

That's a very tough question ; to anyone outside 968 afficionados circles, you have just posted : " my car - blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah , blah - is a 968 ! " The perceived value to them is unlikely to exceed the market value the highest price paid recently for any other 968, but not nearly the price paid for the two ( of six made ? ) factory turbos which sold in the last few years, in spite of the fact that your car far superior those in every respect. To those who appreciate 968s, I'd say the perceived value is determined by what else they would be able to buy that's faster , better handling , nearly as practical , as good looking as your car and then discount the NLA parts disease which your car is not spared from. I can't think of any car under under $ 50 k that would meet the above mentioned attributes, so it's just a matter of the availability of parts scare that will affect tne ultimate price someone is willing to pay for it . And maybe I'm way off, it's just a number that came to mind while I was struggling to think of what other used cars which I would consider buying as an alternative might cost . Not a single one under $ 50 k. At $ 75 k though..plenty, lol.

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[94SilverCab]

ok - perception question, as i'm having a hard time nailing this one down
 
my car - currently the fastest 50 state legal 968 in the country.  62k on the car.  340hp, new supercharged engine (balanced and blueprinted, oversize pistons, ceramic coated bearings, ported and polished, stiffer valve springs for 7500 rpm redline), rebuilt transaxle, new super bearings in a powder coated torque tube, 12 speaker 900W full nav stereo with XM, ipod, yada yada, custom made heated recaro seats, new custom made zip out window top, full leather interior, 300# wheel rate progressive hydraulic shock suspension with custom made swaybars, HRE 547R wheels............... do i need to go on?
 
so, here's the question, given the build of the car, its history and pedigree, what is the perception of value?

The trick here is that no one would ever pay you for all the value that you added to the 968, at most, you could expect to recover perhaps 10% of the modification value. I would be afraid to buy your car, because not only would I need to find a mechanic who knows 968s, I need to find one who understands the design philosophy behind each of the modifications on each of the systems to keep it running perfectly. And, as an ex-owner, you would probably haunt me every time I did not use the proscribed detail spray

Jay

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[Rap]

What about Max? Flash what do you mean by fastest?

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[flash]

i get all that guys. i am all to well of the issues at play here.  i am not suggesting that i expect to get what i put into it.  i was merely musing about the concept of "perception".  it seems to be directly applicable here.  it's going to be all about perception.  somebody that knows the car, would perceive its value very differently than somebody who doesn't.

 

rap - fastest, as in goes faster.  probably the quickest too.  haven't tried a launch lately to know for sure though.  keep in mind i said "50 state legal".  that eliminates all turbos, race cars, yada yada.

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[ds968]

flash, before you sell the car take it out and see what the DYNOLICIOUS app reads.

my six speed which is a good 75 lbs lighter than stock, with the stage 3,  has a new head, and on 1/4 tank of gas  ran  4.7 - 4.9   0-60    and 12.8 - 12.9  in the Q mile  ... according to dynolicious, however accurate or inaccurate it may be .  i expect a really good driver might shave another 1/10 or 2/10 sec. off those times.  

the tip at only approx 20 lbs below stock weight  ran 5.30 0-60  and a 13.64 Q mile    - only did a single run for each segment with that car though

same location used for  both cars  ( the road looks very level but it could be at the most a 2 or 3 degree downslope in spots, and conversely the same 2 or 3 upslope in other spots.    the runs were also done around 7 am  with outside temps no higher than 60...thats a guess, i did not pay attention to the temp gauge

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now, considering you have 40 more ponies than the "normal" stage 3, and clearly a healthier engine all around,  even if you're heavier ( considering it's a cab and then in addition all the mods you put in that car ), I'd guess you should still be be faster.   but worth a dynolicious test if you ask me, if for no other reason but to satisfy the curiosity .. RAP's  :lol:      

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[flash]

here's a quick indicator.  my redline is 7500 and it continues to make power all the way to redline, unlike the other kits.

 

by the way, you are no longer lighter than stock.  add in the 10lbs for the braces, and the 40lbs for the supercharger.  also add in your spacers.  you're right back to stock.  i'm at almost the same weight, after all the reductions (over 240lbs) and then adding back in the stuff i put in the car (about 100lbs).

 

so, factoring in similar weights, adding 40hp, and adding in the higher redline (which allows more top speed), there's no guessing involved.

 

i've already done some runs that showed better numbers 0-60.  i don't have a place to do a 1/4 mile run safely, however, based on what i've driven (keep in mind i've driven your car as well as a number of others) i know where this one sits.  can't fight the math.

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[ds968]

oh, crap i completely forgot about the add-ons to my car - right you are !     in fact. given the rotating mass weight of the steel bolts spacers ( the equivalent of a 48lbs  in-car weight ) , the SC kit, and the sound proof dynamatting , i may be even slightly higher than stock.  dammit, i have to go on a crash diet, that's the only other weight loss variable option remaining  :whine:     

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[flash]

lol - for me, that's a significant one too.

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[94SilverCab]

What about Max? Flash what do you mean by fastest?

Rap,

No slap on Max, but Flash's car has so many bells and whistles it would be hard to stay on top of unless you, yourself, are the wrench, and an automotive engineer. Max is a GREAT 968 Mechanic!

Jay

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[flash]

i don't know about that.  if you don't count me blowing up the motor in testing, i haven't had anything but an alternator go on me in the 4 years and 15k miles since i installed the supercharger.  it's really pretty normal as far as maintenance.  sure, i have better parts, but they are every bit as dependable as stock, and no harder to work on.  i hate working on cars, and would not have done something if it meant i had to work on it.

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