[Inkedupfatboy]

Well, no one coerced me to sign up - there was no fee or obligation, so I don't see that it is fair not to publish that data and make it available.

The only obligation was that I had to be a PCA member to add my data to the registry, so what was the point of that unless it is some sort of insinuated tie in with Porsche - but at the bottom of his page he states the is no actual affiliation with Porsche/PCA or any of the other trademarked holdings.



This is a different thing and not like Porsche's actual production numbers/color combos etc...that is what I would assume Porsche would try to protect or object about - not what is a voluntary offering. But, all this data was released in dealer notebooks and brochures, so really there shouldn't be any secret squirrel stuff out there.



Someone sent me the pdf of the color breakdown, but it does not list interior colors. For example my polar silver coupe with red interior. It only tells me how many were entered on the registry that were silver. It does not mention the interior stats.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

I was wondering if anyone knew who Ronnie Salvador is. That is the name listed as owner of the 968 register domain name.

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[flash]

the chart you got shows how many of each color? i'd like to see that. the one i got doesn't

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[Inkedupfatboy]

Sent - I guess I misread it - does not show quantity - I could have sworn I saw those numbers somewhere though.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

UPDATE

I just got a call from Jeff Coe - the 968 register. Seems like a nice guy and very knowledgeable...



There are some changes going on and some people I guess busy with this thing called life..so he has said there should be some action soon on the site...



I was able to find out during our conversation that my car is pretty rare as far as 968's go - it was one of 2,008 968's made for the North American Market in '94 and was made in late 93 (which is on my door tag, I just forget what month)



The interior color is Chestnut Brown and there were only 5 Cabs made with the Polar Silver and Chestnut Brown interior combo...

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[flash]

so, did he send you the database that he promised to release?

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[Inkedupfatboy]

He sent me some info about my car...



It is #1,511 of 2,008 North American 968 cabriolets

It is #490 of 681 1994 NA 968 cabriolets

It is 1 of 349 P5 Grand Prix White cabriolets (3rd most popular color on cab)

It is 1 of 5 P5 Grand Prix White cabriolets paired with a Chestnut Brown top and a Chestnut Brown interior



Factory options include partial leather in Chestnut Brown (code BM), painted crest center caps (code XD4), full power driver’s seat (code 437), hi-fi sound speakers (code 490)



We are trying to figure out the color thing as mine is obviously Polar Silver and not Grand Prix White..Not sure what that means. I have no knowledge of a re-spray. I have someone checking with the second owner for any info there...



I am going down to my mech's place and look for some sticker's Jeff has asked about to see if the car was coded silver or white...



So yes, we are getting there...

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[flash]

it could just be yet another case of his database being wrong or incomplete. i've already found quite a few glitches.



as for a respray, there are some pretty easy ways to tell when and where it was done.



color change cars were intercepted and painted the new color, but they did not change the color code, and did not always add the color change code. it depended on where things were in the assembly process. i've seen two cars like this already.



factory resprays will look like new paint, and every surface will be the new color, except that the original color will be underneath. they didn't strip the original color off. i've seen a few of these. they also did not necessarily carry a code.



other resprays, including dock resprays to meet buyer choices, should show areas (like under the dash) which still show the original color.

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[quote name='Inkedupfatboy' timestamp='1376578711' post='147317']



We are trying to figure out the color thing as mine is obviously Polar Silver and not Grand Prix White..Not sure what that means. I have no knowledge of a re-spray. I have someone checking with the second owner for any info there...



I am going down to my mech's place and look for some sticker's Jeff has asked about to see if the car was coded silver or white...



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Just take a sharp knife and scrape down the hood a couple of times... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wacko.png" class="smilie" alt="" />



JMHO,



Jay

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[Langley968]

If the inside of the engine bay is Polar Silver, then it probably was never Grand Prix White.

There will be a silver tag with the paint code somewhere near the firewall in the engine bay and also somewhere in the trunk area.

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[flash]

not necessarily true.



factory repaints happen during the assembly process, and especially in the case of a cab (which is a cut down hardtop done by asc at a different location), could have been done prior to engine installation. the only real way to tell is to scratch into the paint. it's really rare, but has been done.



complete dock resprays could have been done as well, and in these they remove the drivetrain, as well as the interior such, but leave the dash and wiring. this is also rare, but also has been done.



stickers were not always changed to reflect the change. they weren't particularly careful about the 968. they were really more focused on selling the car. it wasn't moving well, and they did a lot of things to sell them, including adding or swapping stuff from other cars, frequently not updating the paperwork to reflect it. they still do that today, though not as much, since the cars actually sell pretty well.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

Okay...after looking at the car - it has been changed. The original color was as indicated Grand Prix White -

This was a killer respray for us not to find it...

Proof was in the fuse box, which is white as soon as you take the cover off...



Next I found two braces towards the bottom of the radiator that are still white, and there are a few minute scratches and chips that show white through.

The fender wells in the trunk fade to white and under the trunk carpet under the material that covers the fuel sender there are a few pieces of silver that came off when we lifted it and they show white through...and finally we lifted the windshield gasket and the is a 1/16th inch stripe of white next to the glass...I also found some overspray on a couple small rubber pieces under the hood.



I guess this explains why this is the only car I have seen with the Porsche Logo painted in on the trunk/bumper





So...what does this mean....

Jeff thinks it was produced as white and perhaps the dealer changed it to suit a customer, but I think it might have been done just before the car was fully assembled.



The fact that it is a Cabriolet with the Chestnut Brown interior helps it keep it's rarity and value according to Jeff.



On one hand I am kind of bummed, but on the other, there is a story to tell if I can find the original dealer or owner to get more info...After all, I bought the car to drive not concours.



I don't know who repainted it, but if I ever need a car painted I hope I can find someone as good.

I have a few photos on my phone to look at yet, if they are any good I will post them.

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[flash]

it could be one of the factory or dock resprays. there are a few cars like that out there. that is why the database is not all that accurate. a customer could order a car a different color, and it could be intercepted at the factory and reshot, or at the dock, disassembled, and reshot. these cars were generally sold, not as initially stickered, but as delivered. some of them had stickers changed, but the factory database was not. it's really kind of all over the map. it happens a lot with a car that isn't selling. not too many manufacturers even bother with the paperwork either. only the cars that were special ordered before the next year's production run got the special color code on the sticker. all of the others were not identified like that. instead it all happened downstream.



by the way, as long as the color sticker in the car matches the color of the car, and you can show that it was delivered like that, it's 100% fine for concours. the problem is proving it. a stint meter will show 2 paint jobs, and that usually raises eyebrows, and then the fun begins. but, as you said, not an issue for you.



as a side note, don't feel bad. about 1 out of 100 cars from any manufacturer get at least partially resprayed before delivery to the dealership. this is an incredibly common practice. they don't have to tell you either. my blue car had 3 panels reshot before the first owner ever saw it.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

Proof photos

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[Inkedupfatboy]

I have been working with Jeff Coe at the 968 Register and have found him to be very knowledgeable. I would like to apologize to him if any of the comments I made here were hurtful to him personally as that was not my intent.



Jeff has explained some of the reasons why the register has been sort of inactive and has assured me that some changes are on the way.



I would like to thank him for the information on my 968 and for the job he is doing.



I wish him luck with the register and look forward to talking with him in the future.



Ed

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[flash]

that's been the story for over 5 years now. it doesn't excuse anything. if you take on a job, you do it, or you let somebody else do it. you are only as good as your word. we have done everything short of sending him staff to put together a listing we can use here. he refuses to cooperate, and continues to play hide the ball, and send out what seems to be proprietary information, without approval. he did it with you. what he doesn't seem to realize, and doesn't tell anybody, is that, without authorization, anybody he sends the information to is also complicit in the theft (receiving stolen property). if porsche decides to go after him, they will likely also go after everybody he has sent the information to, if only to support their case. we have a record of those people. we do not want to piss off porsche, and will cooperate with them however they need upon request, including but not limited to providing a list of those with whom he has been in contact with in this manner.



people should not be contacting him for this until he provides authorization. we do not condone this activity, and want nothing to do with it. we are even concerned that a PM via this site can be construed as facilitating this. i think we have taken appropriate steps to distance ourselves sufficiently from this activity, but we will periodically continue to state that we feel this is inappropriate, do not condone it, and will take no part in it.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

Understood. I didn't intend to cause the forums any undue stress over things. I apologize if I have. I want to be able to hang out here.



When I contacted PCA about this information, they referred me to him. So I assumed that he was the representative. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

He is listed in the Panorama as the official source and contact as the register of 968 Porsche.



I will do my best to not have paths cross through me.

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[flash]

understood. unfortunately PCA has no authority or standing regarding PCNA property. they are not in any way associated with each other. it is a common misconception.

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[Inkedupfatboy]

You would think that as the North American arm of the company, there would be some understandings and agreements between the two.

As far as the board here, I called the PCA and they referred me to Jeff. After about a week, Jeff called me directly at home. As far as the forum here goes, I shared what I found out directly from Jeff. So I think the forum is not really on the hook for this one.



There are in my opinion far more egregious violations online such as selling copies of complete Porsche 968 Service Manuals. So I doubt that some production specs passed along here would be much of a blip on the radar, but I understand what you are saying.



Thanks for the heads up - Is there a caveat in the FAQ's about the different relationships? If not, might be good to put one up to cover things.

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[tamathumper]

PCA is not the North American arm of Porsche, PCA is just a club of people who like Porsche cars... PCNA is the actual company that imports and sells the cars. They have nothing to do with each other organizationally, although PCNA wants to be nice to PCA so they aren't peeing in their own Wheaties.

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