[KMR968Turbo]

What is the concensus on the Dynatech plates? They claim that their plates are a good compromise for a street car in that they offer the adjustability but not the harsh ride of the Racers Edge style plates.

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[RS Barn]

I don't believe the monoball plates make the ride harsher. I actually believe without any deflection in the rubber bushings the strut and spring do a better job of following the road and absorbing the shock.

Pete

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[Aus968]

Gee I wonder what parts Pete sells !!!!

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[Big Dave]

Ive actually got the dynatech top mounts on my car .. I think there great...



Only one snag ive found.. If you want to alter the settings at the trackside. When you dial in more camber you also alter the toe settings.

This can make the car very unstable if your toe in exceeds "given settings"...



I was told this by the shop that did the alighnment for me...



Unless some of you "racers" out there can tell me otherwise....

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[flash]

aus - actually, i think pete is a dealer for both racer's edge and kla - not sure about any of the other brands of these that are out there



dave - YES! that is exactly what i said above - that's why you can't have a "track" setting and a "street" setting, and go back and forth between them, and expect them to be any good

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[apex]

[quote name='flash' post='29246' date='Dec 20 2006, 08:14 PM']that's why you can't have a "track" setting and a "street" setting, and go back and forth between them, and expect them to be any good[/quote]



yes - but what a great idea if you *could* do such a thing! development idea... development idea... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[KMR968Turbo]

[quote name='flash' post='29246' date='Dec 20 2006, 06:14 PM']aus - actually, i think pete is a dealer for both racer's edge and kla - not sure about any of the other brands of these that are out there



dave - YES! that is exactly what i said above - that's why you can't have a "track" setting and a "street" setting, and go back and forth between them, and expect them to be any good[/quote]





Just to be clear is this problem with the toe changing when you try to do a track camber change something that is a problem with only the Dynatech plates? Or is this a problem regardless of which plates you choose?



One other thing, do the Dynatech plates change the ride height?

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[94SilverCab]

Gee Aus968, maybe Pete sells products he BELIEVES in...comment like yours are unhelpful, and would probably be better suited to "other " sites...



Regards,



Jay

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[RS Barn]

One really cool thing about "Owning your own business" is you get to choose what products you use and sell. I try to explain why I use or sell stuff. Last I heard it was a free economy.

Pete

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[mikeo]

I have the Dynatec camber plate. All of these designs use the same principal to change camber. Toe does change, but not much. When aligned for good track toe when at maximum camber I get acceptable street toe at minimum camber. I went this way to keep from wearing out the inside rubber driving to and from Roebling Road.



This is an acceptable compromise to almost all drivers. The other two or three who cannot live unless their set-up is perfect at all times will never be happy.



You won't be disappointed with the Dynatec. The parts are high quality and the response to customer needs is first rate. I am also a booster of Racer's Edge. I have all of Karl's bushings as well as his Leda shocks etc. If you are shopping, check them both out and buy the one that matches your need the best.

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[Darth Vadar]

Well, it looks like the Racers Edge Camber Plate is the only choice, as I tried to contact the folks at Dynatec, but got no response, and from their statements on Rennlist, they are no longer selling the Camber plates, since about September??? No idea what happened... loooks like a very nice piece...



If anyone has a set of Dynatec Plates laying about, that they intended to install but "Never quite got around to it", I would take them off their hands for a discounted price!!! Make me an offer I can't refuse!

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[KMR968Turbo]

[quote name='mikeo' post='29284' date='Dec 21 2006, 08:25 PM']I have the Dynatec camber plate. All of these designs use the same principal to change camber. Toe does change, but not much. When aligned for good track toe when at maximum camber I get acceptable street toe at minimum camber. I went this way to keep from wearing out the inside rubber driving to and from Roebling Road.



This is an acceptable compromise to almost all drivers. The other two or three who cannot live unless their set-up is perfect at all times will never be happy.



You won't be disappointed with the Dynatec. The parts are high quality and the response to customer needs is first rate. I am also a booster of Racer's Edge. I have all of Karl's bushings as well as his Leda shocks etc. If you are shopping, check them both out and buy the one that matches your need the best.[/quote]





Mikeo: You sound like exactly the guy I need to talk to. I have the full set of racers edge bushings, stiffer torsion bars and stiffer springs - all of which are not installed. I am also getting the Dynatech camber plates. Eventually I plan to replace the factory M030 struts with the Ledas.



Can you share with us what the difference has been with your car? Do you find it to be too rough or harsh for the street? How has the performance changed?

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[Jason Judd]

I have the Racer's Edge plates; and I"m very happy with them.



I don't believe the adjustable plate itself is a reason for the ride to become harsh.



Jason

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[bob blackwell]

Thanks Mikeo for sharing your experience. that is just what I wanted to hear since camber plates are on my long term "to do" list also. I figured that the toe wouldn't change enough to be a bother and if it did, I can just make reference marks on the tie rods and go back and forth just like I will do with the adjustable camber plates. Thanks again and good luck! Bob Blackwell.

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[Darth Vadar]

[quote name='KMR968Turbo' post='29290' date='Dec 22 2006, 01:16 AM']I am also getting the Dynatech camber plates. Eventually I plan to replace the factory M030 struts with the Ledas.[/quote]



I have not been able to find a source for the Dynatech Camber Plates; please advise where you are getting yours, as I want to ask them some questions. Is the pricing the $449.00 quoted in the Rennlist buy? I tried to go to Dynatech directly, but received no answer to their email address...???



Thanks in advance!

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[flash]

yeah - as i have said, my combination of things may well be the llimiting factor for me, though even with the stock wheels i could feel 1/4 degree toe change - if it changes more than that, it won't be fun at all, especially now where 1/10 is the difference between tracking straight and darting all over the place



with all the changes i've made, i've tried doing the "mark" thing as i do each one - oddly it doesn't work as well as you'd think - i have then gone to an alignment rack and been quite surprised to see how off it was, even though i took great care to get it "just right" - you can get close (within 1/4 degree or so, but that's about it) - close enough to get you to the alignment rack without trashing your tires - do a before and after alignment check - you'll be surprised



of course this all presumes that you care about tire wear, corner scrubbing, exit speed, and road civility



this car is so danged touchy when it comes to alignment that it makes me want to re-engineer the front suspension and dump the struts and go with unequal length control arms



but, i'll probably install these soon enough - i will be setting it and leaving it though - if my skills get to the point where the alignment is what's slowing me down, i'll pull my head out of my butt and get a dedicated race car, and stop playing the "half-way" game - these cars are so cheap there is really no reason not to, and i expect to be doing that fairly soon anyway - i don't believe "dual purpose" modified cars are a wise thing to do anyway for a number of reasons

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[KMR968Turbo]

[quote name='Darth Vadar' post='29305' date='Dec 22 2006, 08:22 AM']I have not been able to find a source for the Dynatech Camber Plates; please advise where you are getting yours, as I want to ask them some questions. Is the pricing the $449.00 quoted in the Rennlist buy? I tried to go to Dynatech directly, but received no answer to their email address...???



Thanks in advance![/quote]





I got in early on the group buy and even then I am getting one of the last remaining plates. From what I understand Dynatech is shutting down production and could possibly resume later next year. No gaurantees though. I had to pay a premium to get a used strut bar from a fellow 968 owner. I think it was worth it because the bar appears to be much better built than the others that I have seen.

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[RS Barn]

KMR,

Other than the 968RS camber plates, the Kelly Moss Racing camber plates were the first available and very pricey. Sorry to see you didn't get some with your car. I'm not sure if they were direct copys of factory units or not

Pete

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[mikeo]

The last I heard they were only discontinuing the strut brace. Here is the contact info and web url:



E-mail:

sales@dynatechmotorsports.net

engineering@dynatechmotorsports.net



Call Us:

Scott Reynolds 281.660.2195

Sean Thomas 281.461.0657



http://dynatechmotorsports.net/contact.htm



As far as my set up is concerned, it works well on asphalt which is the predominate surface here in Disney World Land. Cobblestones are also available in downtown Orlando and the ride there is miserable, even at 10 mph. Driving up I-95 to Roebling involves a lot of concrete bridgess and the expansion joints are a little irritating. That's with 400 lb/in Hypercoils on the front and 500 on the rear with turned down (ineffective) torsion bars.



With the camber plates set to minimum , the street camber is +0.5 deg and toe is ??. Rears are at -1.6 deg. Subtracting 3 deg for track use gives -2.5 deg and about 7' of toe. I will increase the track camber to -3.5 deg (street -.5 deg) when I get the car back from Jason Lee in Jan (?).



Honestly I cannot tell how much harshness is contributed by the camber plates. I did it all at once so there is no way to tell which of the suspension elements contribute most of the harshness.



KMR, pm me a phone number and I'll call over the holidays if you want to chat about this.

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[S_Cal968]

even with the stock wheels i could feel 1/4 degree toe change - if it changes more than that, it won't be fun at all, especially now where 1/10 is the difference between tracking straight and darting all over the place

That's interesting... my car isn't that tight on the tolerances and it tracks straight down the road with no hands on the steering. Unless you're on a consistant surface [like a track], I don't know how one would feel a differnce in a tenth of a degree{?}. I thought caster that had a greatest affect on tracking straight. And, more extreme camber settings would affect caster. Also frequent re-alignment would be necessary to hold a tight tolerance to compensate for component wear etc.



I was surprized that the factory camber is 0 degs and caster is only 2-30' degs. If the driver does any spirited driving at zero camber; the tires quickly wear on the outside edge. Ask me how I know... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/blink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

I've adjusted my camber to -3/4 degs and 3 degs caster [w/ balast in the drivers seat] and have been impressed with the improved handling. Perhaps Porsche thought a Volkswagen setting would do for the daily driver... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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