[flash]

like i said, lead is the best medium. that product looks like it would work. however, i have no comparative data on it. given how much of a pain in the butt it is to do a car, i am not inclined to experiment. those guys need to do some comparisons that show better results than dynamat, if they really want to market that stuff.

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[wildcat]

Dare I say it? Yes well, I must!!! Sound is one of the things that's missing in cars these days... sports cars (well yeah there's the exhaust sounds) but other little noises are what give a car character! Now granted not all noises are pleasant and or desirable but certain noises give a sports car that "essence"... which is an elixir of sorts to the aural senses... and noises tell you things that the idiot lights don't. Like the little purr of the electric radiator fans... and this is not to be argumentative, but if I wanted to ride in a sound deadened environment, I certainly wouldn't have picked a convertible. ( Horror of horrors, I took out the lining in my top!) Course I don't use the top much anyway. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.png" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

ah, but i'll have the choice now. i can zip out the rear window and get sound. i can put the top down and get sound. or, i can close everything up and have quiet, and listen to the $5k i have put into the stereo.



if i want to drive a rattly car, i'll drive the TR-4A.

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[wildcat]

Rattle??? That must be your exhaust pipe... a broken hangar perhaps? All kidding aside unlike the TR-4A which like my old TR-4 was rattly the 968 is fairly solid... but certain engine noises on my not as well maintained Beast have alerted me to potential problems and real problems! So I mention it as a cautionary tale... and of course as your vehicle has had better care over the years and it being a Porsche and not a TR-4A maybe not such a concern for you.

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[flash]

i suppose if you are playing "catch up" on a car, hearing the noises may give you your next priority. when i was running the mgbs, i was keenly focused on such things. with the 968 though, it's not an issue. noises will make themselves known soon enough, and i stay on top of the car, so i'll generally see it long before i hear it.



we would never tolerate noises in a new car, so i am not inclined to tolerate them in the 968. i have gone to great lengths to bring the car more up to date, both by adding features, and by tightening things up. i am a ragtop man through and through, so a certain amount of noise is expected, and in fact a part of the experience, but i want to be able to choose when i have that noise.

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[wildcat]

I'm not one for playing "catch-up", I'm doing my own thing and liking it. (no offense) <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.png" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

no offense here either, but it sounds like you are very much playing "catch up" if you are worried about noises as an "early warning system".



frankly, it sound to me a lot like you are looking for something a lot more primitive than the 968 was designed to be. nothing wrong with that. just a very different approach than what drew most of us to the car to begin with, which was the superior luxury for its era. after all, it's a GT and not a sports car.

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[wildcat]

It is not worry about "noises", as I wrote in an earlier post, but the "elixir of the aural senses", to which sports cars are the every lasting epitome... the fact that some of us drive them harder than others, requires that our ears be attuned... GT car? sure, but so is a Rolls... and much more so.

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[flash]

and if this were a sports car, i would agree whole heartedly. however, being a GT, i tend to lean more toward the comfort than the pure sport features.



i don't think anybody would put a rolls in a GT class. that's a luxury sedan. a GT is a sporty car that retains much of it's more conservative sedan or coupe roots (i.e. generous luggage area, creature comforts, etc) in its design. it is designed to provide driver input and feedback, but also be comfortable for touring (hence the term "grand touring"). this applies to both the hatchback version as well as the convertible.



a sports car is far more spartan, has no intrinsic value beyond pure sport, and would not have things like power windows, power seats, air conditioning, yada yada. it would also only be a 2 seat car (all cabs are really 4 seaters that were converted).



i've had sports cars. love them. very different use though. this car is great for longer trips, primarily due to its comfort features. anything i can do to enhance and improve upon that only goes to further the initial design intention. it isn't well suited to become a sports car for many of the same reasons.



i tried turning this car into a sports car. i yanked out 240#, firmed things up, and got rid of all the play in bushings (having replaced them all with monoballs). the result was that i lost all that was great about the car. i really screwed up what the engineers did an excellent job of establishing. i have now returned the car to the use for which it was designed, and altered my modifications to supplement that, rather than try to make it something it is not.



as for driving it harder or not, i drive it in all sorts of modes. sometimes i am just cruising. sometimes i am on a long trip. sometimes i am romping the piss out of it. the car can now do all of that. in addition, due largely to the sound deadening, i can enjoy the car in all modes, and choose when i want to be assaulted sonically and when not to be. it truly is the best of all worlds. finally.

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[wildcat]

I like the sound of the 968, much as I like the sound of Ferraris and Lamborghinis. I don't much care for the sound of the 911... and when I don't care for the sounds around me, I crank up the HEAVY METAL... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.png" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

lol - i hate the sound of the 911.



i thought heavy metal was dead, and relegated to cigarette smoking overly tattooed 20 somethings. i don't find too many people that are that angry anymore. i used to tour quite a bit in that genre, but nowadays there aren't even many club tours of heavy metal bands. lol - heavy metal in a 968 cab must make for an interesting youtube.



but, being able to choose what sound to hear and when is exactly my point. that's why i've spent over $5k on the stereo, another $3k on sound treatment, and well over $10k on exhaust systems.

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[Rap]

One doesn't have to listen to heavy metal to be angry. I think angry people are all around us and propagating like rabbits (democrats)

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[flash]

lol - you got that backwards. what i said was that one had to be angry to listen to heavy metal.



dems are largely happy as clams these days. getting what they want for the most part, and looks like they'll get it again come next election. it even looks like they'll take back the house.



back on topic though - i will be finishing up the last bits of sound treatment on thursday. hopefully i can take it for a good drive over the weekend, and see how i did.

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[wildcat]

The "Heavy Metal" was a play on words... ever hear of a group called "Rammstein" not heavy metal exactly, like Rolls is not a GT (don't tell Bentley about the "Continental GT" either) and the car is "heavy metal"... but no I don't have a tattoo. I do crank it up, but find myself turning down, just to listen to the rev of the engine. I can certainly envy the effort you've put into your car, though personally it would be rather impractical for me. I have a nice little Pioneer and am still using the twenty + year old speakers (Nokia can you believe it?) and they sound great... course maybe I'm just going deaf... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/cool.png" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

as for the whole GT thing, auto manufacturers have been using the incorrect classifications and descriptions for decades. they do it for marketing reasons. that doesn't make it right, and it certainly doesn't mean that we should perpetuate the error.



back on topic:



i'm the first one to admit that i am likely alone in my pursuit of perfect audio. but, as a sound engineer, i'm rather stuck. that being said, once somebody takes a ride in the car, and listens to the system, they invariably end up attacking their own system and car. i think it's a case of not knowing any better, until somebody makes it obvious what they were missing.

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[Rap]

I must confess to enjoying my new system Bob! Lol

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[wildcat]

Well for what its worth, I'm a radio/t.v. major and I appreciate a good sound system; my father had friends in the recording business so I can certainly appreciate your enthusiasm.

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i'm the first one to admit that i am likely alone in my pursuit of perfect audio. but, as a sound engineer, i'm rather stuck. that being said, once somebody takes a ride in the car, and listens to the system, they invariably end up attacking their own system and car. i think it's a case of not knowing any better, until somebody makes it obvious what they were missing.

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Flash:



Are you planning to add Pono to your system?

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[flash]

while i love the idea, i am not likely to add yet another device to my car. the primary issue would be controlling it and powering it. those must be done through the deck.

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