[Tahoe968]

http://www.intelligentliving.co/salt-wat...-approval/

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[ds968]

I like it. BTW, is that why the front grill looks like the car has gills ? ( When you need a refill you just get amphibious for five submerged minutes..and you're all set to go again ) Oh, those of you who dont live near an ocean or a sea, are SOL

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[blau]

SOL? Salt out of luck?

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[Cloud9...68]

Is this for real? Let me check my calendar - no, it isn't April 1. There must be a catch, like this thing costs half a million bucks to make...

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[flash]

looks like it's real. it's all over the internet, including an article about it at a car show.



i am looking forward to the natural gas fuel cell that is just about ready. that would knock my electric bill down quite a bit. probably a year out still though.

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[Cloud9...68]

Electric bill? In California? What, like $20 a month to run your espresso machine, lol?

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[flash]

lol - my bill last month was $560

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[AJG]

Stop using the electric chair Flash!

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[ds968]

Typically our electricity bill is $ 400/ mo. ( +/- $ 50 ) most of the year because I use the heck out of the AC since I like my entire house to be no warmer than 68 degrees ..and maybe $ 200 ( more or less around that ) during the one or two so-called cooler months . Water bill is no walk in the park either - fairly consistent at $ 250 / mo year-round, except lately where by virtue of the drought, they raised the rates considerably ( over a certain usage ) to penalize us.. No, I'm not converting to solar panels, I refuse to have anything that ugly on the roof of the house, no matter how practical and cost-saving of an alternative it provides. Form over function baby ! ,lol.

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[flash]

my bill ranges from 200-560, depending on the month.



i am a firm believer in solar, but i just did an analysis and it still doesn't make financial sense to me. if i were to stay here for 20 years, it would be a no brainer. however, given that we want to move to a bigger house in 3 years, it would cost me more to put it up than i would save (even on one of those nothing down no cost ppa deals) as i would have to change my power panel, and would have to do roof work to prep for it.



when we build the new house, a large part of the roof will be solar panels. it will be the roof itself though, and not just something stuck on the roof.

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[Cloud9...68]

Holy crap! You guys are wimps, lol. Your bills would be over $1000 a month in the summer in a place like Texas or Arizona. I have an older (mid 80's), ~2600 square foot house with very inefficient AC units that refuse to die (otherwise I would have replaced them with much more efficient units years ago), and I still never get much over $400 a month in the middle of a Texas summer. The rates must be much higher in California.

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[flash]

i have a tiered rate structure. tier 4 (the highest tier) comes in pretty early, and is .389/kwh. i generally use about 1700 kwh in the hot summer months.



the house is a 2 story about 3300 and change square feet.



i have 2 ft of blown in insulation in the attic. i have R-19 in the attic rafters, and R-13 in all exterior walls. i have double pane insulated UV tinted windows everywhere. the flat section of roof is painted reflective white. the house has been painted a light color. the garage doors are R-11 insulated. i have a 5 ton high seer rated brand new hvac system. i have a whole house fan, attic exit fans, and multiple ceiling fans. basically i've done everything possible to lower the usage.

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