[ds968]

   



.. $ 4.79 for 91 oct at a Shell station near SF airport..

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[94SilverCab]

This is part of the Obama Win The Future (WTF) campaign...



Jay

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[Rap]

obama the most dangerous man in the world!

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[ds968]

Hey, I thought there was a strictlty enforced Forums rule : Politics or Religion commentary is prohibited <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Does not apply to Sex topics, those are actually encouraged .. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[rxter]

Sex is much less contoversial.

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[flash]

lol - not around my house it isn't

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[Rap]

Sorry if I offended anyone. It was just a non Porsche 968 related observation. Be careful with th sex talk, you never know who is watching!l. Lol

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[flash]

the wife just paid 4.049 at our local cheap arco

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[Monstrous4Banger]

Makes me want to buy a diesel, and start mixin up my own B100. Cold weather is never an issue here.

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[lbpesq]

Yea, like gas was so cheap 2000-2008.



Bill

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[Rap]

Just be glad some of us don't live in Europe!

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[flash]

hey - i'm not complaining - when gas goes up, traffic goes down

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[Rap]

I live in the mountains 7 minutes from my facility and am annoyed when there are other cars on the road!

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[Scott Collins]

I played golf yesterday with a Brit who just laughed at me when I complained about our gas prices. It cost him $150 to fill up his car in the UK, and he said that the train is not much better over there. He also said that their cost is about %85 in taxes.

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[ds968]

very true, but we tend to forget the HUGE difference: if you live in any major city in England, or for that matter in any other metroplolitan areas on the European continent, your options and choices of public transportation are phenomenal..not that it's dirt cheap to take public transport, but you don't HAVE TO to use your car commuting to work, or just getting out of the house.. Try to get from point A to point B anywhere in Los Angeles ( and countless cities elsewhere in the U.S. ) by bus or metro or train and see where that gets us <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> . We are creatures of habit, and granted that even if we could walk 10 minutes to the corner store we'll drive, but we're not talking about that, 90% have no choice but to drive to work, average commute in Ca is now almost 20 miles, and at $ 4 + a gallon .. we're pretty much enslaved to the mighty pump's price, whatever it ends up being.

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[Cloud9...68]

In addition to the various exotic solutions people throw around when gas prices spike (massive new public transportation insfrastructures, alternative fuels, electric cars for the masses, all of which have their relative merits), I don't understand why more people don't taking advantage of a very simple, low tech solution - car pooling. I've been riding to work in a vanpool for the past five years or so, and I would never go back to subjecting my own car to the rigors of commuting. Yes, it's a bit of an adjustment: you lose the flexibility to easily run errands during work hours, you have to re-calibrate yourself to leave work at the same time every day (which isn't a bad thing), etc. But speaking from experience, it's well worth it in cost savings, reduced traffic congestion (if more people did it), cleaner air, lower insurance premiums, greater resale value of your cars, yada, yada, yada. I bet that if everybody really thought about it, at least 30% of the people currently communing in their own cars could find a way to carpool at least three times a week. Just think what that would translate to in reduced oil consumption.

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[lbpesq]

The thing that really bugs me is the price of gas in the Bay Area where I live. Much of the nation's gas is refined within 20 miles of my home, yet we pay more than just about anywhere else in the lower 48! Gee, I'm sure it has nothing to do with the relative wealth of the area. That might be considered gouging, and the oil companies would NEVER do that!



Bill

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[94SilverCab]

True in 2008, I suspect it's still true today





http://www.salon.com/technology/feature/...f_gasoline

To understand why California gas prices are historically above the national average, the likely explanation isn't environmental restrictions on refinery operations, but the reality that California's strict air quality regulations require a special blend of gasoline that only a few refineries outside of California are capable of producing. So when demand spikes in California, or a disaster (or simple maintenance overhaul) takes out even just one refinery complex for any extended period of time, prices rise quickly across the state because supply can't easily be found to replace the lost production.

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[Chris Vais]

Silver Cab is correct. The CA air quality requirements can't be met without a special blend that is unique to California. The refineries in California serve the California market first and their excess capacity goes to other West Coast states. Moreover, even if the Gulf Coast Refineries had the capability to produce the "Ca blend" it is my undertanding that there really isn't any pipe line capacity to transport the fuel to us in CA, because CA has had access to crude from CA, AK, Indonesia among others that makes us more or less self sufficent in terms fo refining and distribution.

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[ds968]

makes sense, but it still does not explain why the same gallon of that Ca. blend gas costs us NorCal folks ( on the average ) 10% - 15% more than it does in , say, Beverly Hills or Orange County cities like Newport Beach, etc..both very wealthy areas and both subject to high land lease prices gas stations supposedly have to pass on to the consumer.. not to mention that we have the damn refineries right here in our backyard !! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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