[rhudeboye]

I knew it was going to happen sooner or later. The clutch pedal went out. I had just picked up a friend who, ironically, was having car trouble. As I we climbed a hill I went into 2nd then noticed that I felt no pedal under my foot. I knew immediately what had gone wrong. W/ only one lane in each direction and a trail of cars behind me I was forced to turn on the hazards and brake. ON A HILL!



I remember someone posting that they drove w/o the clutch after this happen to them. So I revved it a little and forced it into gear. It never fully engaged, and was very jerky, but it did move the car up and out of the way.



Here where a little sun shone upon me. As I’m sitting there in front of this house a woman comes out and ask if I need help. She identifies it as a Porsche and tells me that her husband can fix it. I look toward the garage and there’s a 928 under a cover that hes restoring. So she tells me to pull it into her driveway to get it out of danger. I gave her my info thanked her locked it up and called for a ride. Her husband called me a few minutes ago and tells me that he’s been a mechanic for 30+ years and although I don’t know him from Adam ,he assures me that he can fix it. Yeah, grain of salt!



Question- How difficult is it to change out the clutch line, master/slave cylinder on these cars. I’m not one to leave my car w/ any Joe w/ a wrench but if this is a simple procedure.. Well, I’m considering it.

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[Miles'PHTurbo968]

It's not too bad to change/replace any of the those parts. But, like anything else it has to be done correctly so there are no leaks or other problems. Bleeding the system is also very important.

Best of luck!

Miles

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[flash]

took me about 2.5 hours and it was my first time - parts were about 250 total



the slave and master are pretty cheap and available through sunset and paragon (i can't remember which had the better price on which)



the stainless braided teflon lined line is now available (exclusively through pete at rs barn)

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[rhudeboye]

Thanks guys.



I talked with the guy and toured his 3 car garage which sits off to the side of the house, he's got 2 lifts in there. had a M3 on one of them. I'm going to let him take a look at it and give me a quote tomorrow. I'm online now gathering the parts from RS and paragon. SS hose, clutch master and slave cylinder and the master cylinder gasket. Did I miss anything?

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[flash]

ate super blue fluid

motive power bleeder

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[josephsc]

Is it my imagination, or aren't you the second person this week to chime in with a blown clutch hose? It's such a common failure, it's getting ridiculous!

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[rhudeboye]

Didn’t notice the post earlier this week but you know what the say about misery.



This guy should have his own bleeder. Super blue huh, I'll search it on Paragon and add it to the list.



Thanx

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[S_Cal968]

If only all of us could be that lucky! What are the odds of stopping by someone that works on P-Cars[?]. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/blink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

Good luck with the operation...



p.s. I see you're a Skyline fan... kuel

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[Renalicious]

That was a lucky break (no pun intended hehe), and it makes me wonder if I should get this done before I go on any trips. And sooner, rather than later =/ Is there a way of telling if your hydraulics are about to go? Bad lines? Buldges? Leaks?

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[rhudeboye]

Well the guy said a few things today that made me nervous. I told him that I plan on changing out the slave and master and he strongly advised me against it. I told him that those parts are as old as the one that failed so I want to replace them all. He went on to tell me a story on how parts are the luck of the draw and long story short stop wasting your money. I insisted and he ended the convo w/ a what ever its your money.



Hes chragig me about $200 labor.



Scal- "p.s. I see you're a Skyline fan... kuel"

More of an Initial D fan.

Never thought I could get hooked on a cartoon...



[quote name='Renalicious' post='32458' date='Mar 14 2007, 01:46 PM']That was a lucky break (no pun intended hehe), and it makes me wonder if I should get this done before I go on any trips. And sooner, rather than later =/ Is there a way of telling if your hydraulics are about to go? Bad lines? Buldges? Leaks?[/quote]





My car was driving perfect before the break. Good acceleration and nice shifts right up to the time it went. It was just as I described. Everything was fine then suddenly, no pedal under foot. It’s a weird feeling because as you step down you don’t even feel it on the floor (depending on the type of shoes I assume). It literally falls all the way to the floor and just sits there.



My advice to you would be to CHANGE IT NOW! You have nothing to loose as you all know its going to happen. We’re talking about 12 year old rubber here guys.

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[flash]

not surprised he said that - not everybody understands rubber, hydraulics, and how that all works with time - i got to learn all about it in painful detail because i was driving and working on british cars for a very long time, and they had the added pleasure of having live rubber seals which were very finicky as to the brand of fluid



there aren't a lot warning signs - unfortunately they fail from the inside - you can visually inspect the high pressure hose and look for bulges while the pedal is being depressed - you can also look for seepage on the bellows behind the pedal



the best thing to do is just change them if they are original - you are on borrowed time - it will go suddenly and likely with no warning



big tip - the brakes and clutch share the reservoir - flush and bleed them all - you will need a power bleeder



this should be done every 2 years (the manual even says that) - this will go a long way toward longevity - it's condensation that gets inside that causes many of these failures

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='flash' post='32463' date='Mar 14 2007, 02:49 PM']not surprised he said that - not everybody understands rubber, hydraulics, and how that all works with time - i got to learn all about it in painful detail



big tip - the brakes and clutch share the reservoir - flush and bleed them all - you will need a power bleeder[/quote]



That actually makes me feel a bit better. I shouldnt have to put my foot down when I'm paying for the job. I've met a couple of mechanics in the past that had that attitude. that the "I'm the tech and your the fool that needs me, so shut up and do what I tell you" attitude. OK that may have been a bit over the top.. Nevertheless if he was truely lookin out for me and my wallet, well, I respect that.



I'm going to ask him about the power bleeder and if he doesnt have one I will buy one.



Boye, This list is starting to add up.

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[Renalicious]

Earliest appointment I could get was the 26th, hope it lasts the trip to Portland. Though I suppose highway cruising doesn't put any pressure on the hydraulics (heh) <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

lol - well, if you can manage to stay in one gear the entire trip, you'll be fine - other than that, each time you step on the clutch is one time closer to popping



i think i would order the parts and carry them along with you in case it pops - then at least you can go to most any shop and be out in a couple of hours



heck - sunset porsche is right there



good luck

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='flash' post='32474' date='Mar 14 2007, 06:23 PM']well, if you can manage to stay in one gear the entire trip, you'll be fine[/quote]



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I'm actually glad that mine went. It was allways in the back of my mind. Now., I'll just replace the whole set up and be done with it.



Let us know how the trip goes

god speed

David

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[Renalicious]

Ugh, now you guys got me all paranoid about my clutch <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='Renalicious' post='32537' date='Mar 15 2007, 06:15 PM']Ugh, now you guys got me all paranoid about my clutch <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]



Yes, but in a good way.

its clutch awareness week.

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[Renalicious]

Well, I just have this dread that it will all go wrong somewhere past the border. I really don't feel like grinding gears trying to get around or leaving my car on the side of the highway. I might go with my gut feeling and park the car until the 26th when I take it to the shop. I'll also have them check my cams too (another thing that keeps me worried heh). There will be other races to see this year I'm sure.



Just out of curiosity, do rod bearings fail often too? <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

lol - if it makes you feel better about the decision, mine went out going uphill on a windy mountain road just past a contruction zone - no chance of limping home - i had to wait for 2 hours for a tow truck that then bashed a headlight and dented a fender trying to get the car out of there

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[Renalicious]

Ordered the clutch hose from Pete. Also getting a heater core valve, and timing chain and pads from paragon. Once all of these are replaced, I'll feel a LOT better about taking my car long distances <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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