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Passenger Airbag
#1

Very cool write up on removing the passenger side airbag:



Passenger Air Bag Delete, Mr. Bibbetson's writeup



This is something I am considering doing due to the "protection for short passengers" airbag dilemma. My understanding is that these "early" airbags pack quite a wallup.



Here's my question(s) - the directions seem pretty clear and straightforward - how many of you have done this? Is it as easy as it looks? Has anyone reinstalled the airbag later (am assuming it is just as easy in reverse)?



I am also less concerned about "removing" the airbag as I am about just disconnecting it - I am assuming there are no issues with leaving it there after disconnecting it?



Thanks!
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#2

I pulled the passenger airbag in order to install my new wheel. I still have the passenger unit in and working.

If you just want to disconnect, it should be no problem to just electrically replace each unit with a 3 ohm resistor.
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#3

mine is coming out next week - i am doing a bunch of wiring mods and this is one of them
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#4

I can see why the two 1.5 resistors where soldered...finding 3 ohm ones has been harder than I thought!
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#5

It's really simple if you are handy at all. I thought the bolts would be much harder to reach then they were. Hardest part is getting under the dash and back out a few times. Have a friend around to run for tools for you, it will save your back.



There is no issue with not removing the bag, just be sure to tape everything up nice when you are done. You don't want an accidental electrical contact with the air bag contacts. Just remove the air vent pipe, glove box liner and pull the wires off the airbag (always disconnect the battery first!!!). You can then reach the wires easily to do a good job of inserting the resistors.



Putting everything back to stock is super simple. I actually did the job twice because I didn't get all the pictures that I wanted.
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#6

Found my 3 ohm resistors...planning on taking this on over the weekend maybe...might try to take a photo record of my (in)experience for all to share.



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#7

On the removing airbag DIY it notes to disconnect the negative battery cable and wiat 60 minutes. Is there a reason for ONLY disconnecting the negative battery cable and not both cables?



Probably my second stupid question of the day...
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#8

Electricity needs a complete path to flow. If you break one leg of this path there is no possibility of it flowing so one cable is sufficient. The reason the negative cable is prefered is if you were to remove the positive cable first, there is a chance you could contact the body or some other grounded object with the wrench. The fireworks show commences shortly after. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
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#9

Thanks - honestly I didn't know that and always have disconnected both negative and positive to "disconnect" the battery. Huh...



And as to the fireworks...it paints a picture because (of course) I HAVE never been foolish enough to ever witness that personally.



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But on that note........I did do the passenger airbag today and bottom line is that it's just as simple as the DIY by Bibbetson. Very cool...



In disconnecting the battery (first time in on this car being a new owner) it appeared as though the "positive + contact with the body" had occured in the past - specifically the round "thingy" just behind the battery toward the rear of the car - evidence of arcing leaving in one place a hole in the...um...thing.



Does anyone know what that thing is?



(Perhaps my third stupid question of the day <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> )
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#10

The round thingy is the alarm horn. When you set off the alarm, there is this annoying beeping that sounds like the car horn. That is it. The regular service horns are up by the bumper.
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#11

AH HA! It looked kind of like a horn...but without the actual horn...thingy...coming off the side. Cool...now I am less worried about it...



Okay - last bit on airbags that I was thinking about and thought I would share (for what its worth):



Anyone who decides to alter the factory safety features of their car should do this very consciously. My personal decision to disconnect my passenger airbag was due to my daughter being old enough to be in the front seat, but (in my opinion) not big enough to take the force of the airbag found in our cars deploying. I personally intend to reconnect it sometime in the future.



As it states in Bibbetson's write up on airbag removal:



"Disclaimer: I do not advocate the removing or disabling of the passive restraint system for purely cosmetic reasons. There are valid reasons for removing or deactivating the airbags, such as: track use, equipment age, or protection for short drivers and passengers. You accept all liability for following these procedures."



We need to be aware, in our litigious society, of the conscious decision we are making - and the types of liability we might be taking on by making such an alteration to our cars.



One thing, as our cars are equipped with an passenger airbag, and the dash clearly states this, is to be aware of the implied agreement as to the safety features a passenger can expect. Suffice it to say that anyone who rides in my passenger seat will be informed by me that the airbag is disconnected. They will, therefore, be riding in that seat with that knowledge and making that choice. Nothing (and most often the facts!) can prevent a lawsuit, but it's something. Plus - forget lawsuits - people should know.



Also, if you have disconnected or removed the airbag and then sell your car, without clearly notifying the buyer of the safety alteration you have made, that could be a VERY VERY bad thing.



Another thing is that we are most likely receiving an insurance credit for having airbags. Should an accident occur, and it be found that airbags had been disconnected or removed, one could have an issue with your insurance company...concievably to the point of the insurance company voiding coverage. Each insurance company is different - so you should check with yours to determine the facts.



Also many states have laws on the books on airbags. This is an example from Wisconsin. Pretty much speaks for itself. You should check to see if there are laws where you live that you should be aware of.



There is also Federal statute, especially if you are a "commercial entity", governing airbags. Specifically: "...knowingly "making inoperative" any part of a device or element of design that has been installed on or in a motor vehicle in compliance with a Federal Motor Vehicle Safety Standard (FMVSS)." Exceptions exist for people with disabilities.



For more info check out the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration's website.



Anyway...the moral of the story is that along with me saying "...bottom line is that it's just as simple as the DIY by Bibbetson. Very cool..." - I should also say...



Simple or not, get the facts and made a very conscious decision on your three R's (rights, responsibilities and ramifcations) prior to doing this - or any - alteration to the safety equipment on your car.



Chris
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