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a track car should never be taken on the street. there is NO perfect solution for both, and anybody who says otherwise is trying to sell you something.

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come on over. i can have you drive one car with the bilsteins from pete, with his recommended spring setup, and mine with my setup, and let you be the judge. it has nothing to do with bracing, swaybars, or springs either. you won't get out of the complex i live in without feeling the difference, let alone down the road. decide for yourself. it won't be hard.

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Many of us have to make due with a single car to satisfy both our track and street driving needs. Of course you have a right to your own opinion, but to say a track car should never be taken on the street is a bit of a polarizing statement and, I suspect, a view not shared by many on this forum.



I have no doubt that your street setup has superior ride comfort to Pete's street/track combo setup. They have different goals. If you could also demonstrate that yours was also better on the track, that would be impressive. I don't think anyone is claiming to have the perfect solution - you have to compromise something, performance, comfort or $$$.

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[flash]

it really does come down to what you are willing to live with, and how you plan to use the car. there is no right or wrong answer.



i finally figured out something that absorbs the bumps, both big and small, without jarring me, and will go around a corner as fast as i can push the car. it was a combination of things that made it get there, but the key was sticking with hydraulic shocks and struts, and not gas. that is what makes the ride smooth. also, being able to back off the compression setting really softens the bumps.



it wasn't cheap, nor was it easy, but finally it is working right, and i like the ride much better than anything else aftermarket that i have experienced. i really like the ride quality of the OEM setup, and wanted to duplicate that, while having it firm up in the corners.



but that's what i personally want in the car, and this may not make others happy, though everyone that has driven it so far has said it is amazing. while i have taken the car to the track, i do not track the car like others like to do, but that's an entirely different conversation.



i think the only thing that might make my setup better would be a progressive rate spring. then i could go even stiffer at the higher end, and leave the bottom alone, or even soften it. i'm just not sure the shocks could handle that.



that being said, i don't know anybody who runs the bilsteins on the track that doesn't like them there.



i've heard varying reviews on the KWs, from loving them to hating them. i don't have an opinion on those.



the M030 setup is similar in review to the bilstein.



koni yellow sports are also similar to the bilstein.



i have no valuable input on leda or moton.

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[RS Barn]

I'm going to make one last comment and it shouldn't make this discussion any more terse.

I looked at KW Clubsport and it is quite similar to V3. I'm guessing they are running righer rate springs and damping to be more of a street/track package and possibly camber plates to stiffen upper mounts. I can't tell if they are optional or not. This would push the boundry of street comfort more toward track .Sounds like they have a market for that..

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[Eric_Oz_S2]

The Koni yellow sports are quite a bit softer than the Bilstein Cups. In my opinion they are a little too soft for track work, and I think they are even a little soft and lacking control for the street for my tastes (using these with 350 F springs).

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[SHA-JR968]

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I'm going to make one last comment and it shouldn't make this discussion any more terse.

I looked at KW Clubsport and it is quite similar to V3. I'm guessing they are running righer rate springs and damping to be more of a street/track package and possibly camber plates to stiffen upper mounts. I can't tell if they are optional or not. This would push the boundry of street comfort more toward track .Sounds like they have a market for that..

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Your guess is correct. A friend of mine is driving the Clubsport setup. Better on the Nordschleife itself but more pain during the autobahn transfer on own wheels.

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