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Knock sensor 2 trigger of the CEL ?
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Not sure if the following event is what caused my CEL to come on, and stay on for several days, but I'll convey the experience nonetheless . ( The blink test fault codes indicated it was the knock sensor # 2 . )


I park the car on our street which has a pretty decent incline grade so I always curb the wheels, to their near maximum turn position. Before I start the car I do straighten the wheels , which actually takes less effort that I'd think , because I was informed that starting the engine with that additional load on it ( though I never understood the technicality of how steering position puts load on the engine ) is not optimum .. but last week I forgot to straighten the wheels and started the car with them turned sharply . The engine shook and rattled like a tractor, so badly that it sounded as if every metal component on it would come apart.. It was idling at the stall point somewhere < 600 . So I shut it off and then started it again, with the wheels back to normal, and the engine started and idled just fine. What I did not realize until much later on is that the CE light at the bottom right of the panel came on . Just that one, the big center " ! " light was not on. My CE light is extremely faint and in strong sunlight , as was the case all of last week it's practically invisible . The light stayed on for a few days and I was planning to use the Duramatric to confirm that indeed it was the knock sensor, but before I had a chance to do that the light turned off by itself and it's gone . I even had the car smog tested a couple of days ago and if that CE fault would have been there, even with the light off, it would not have passed . So it cleared itself of that particular issue, but I'm thinking the curbed wheel load start and engine rattle / noise must have been the trigger of the knock sensor and ensuing CE light .. it'd be too much of a coincidence to be anything else I think..
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knock sensors are piezo microphones.  any noise in the acoustic range of what that microphone is tuned to hear will trigger it.

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There'd be extra load only if the steering is nearly or fully on the lock causing the power steering to strain, I am not sure what causes the strain.  It's worth not quite cranking it that far IMO.  It could indeed have been the cavitation noise from the pump that got picked up as knock, interesting.

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I am just about to get my car smogged, and also had a CEL with the root cause being the Knock Sensor 2 (confirmed by Durametric, than reset).  

 

My question to the group is what exactly is the code telling me, that the sensor is bad, or the sensor detected a knock situation?  The CEL has not come back, and assuming that I can pass the smog test tomorrow, the lazy man in me is considering not to do anything unless I get a re-occurrence.  I would welcome any opinions whether I should leave this alone, or better to replace the sensor?  One final question, I think the Knock Sensor 2 is the rear one (that is much harder to access), can anyone confirm this?

 

Thanks

 

Nathan

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#5

It is the back one, the one you cant get to without great contortionist abilities. Sorry. But, your young children will learn some new words :-)


I got the error message, replaced the sensor and the CEL hasn't come back on after several thousand miles.
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Injectors again. Clogged injectors will trigger knock sensors. Just a matter of time.

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the whole top end of this motor is noisy.  it's not hard to set off a knock sensor, due to the specific frequency to which it is tuned.  this gets worse when the engine gets up over 60k miles.  everything gets a little looser, and makes a bit more noise.  i wouldn't go running out and changing stuff, just because the light went off once. obviously i would get my injectors cleaned every other year, and make sure the oil was clean and the right weight, zddp level, etc, but beyond that, unless the problem persists, it pretty much is what it is.

 

remember that the ECU sends 2 types of fault codes.  intermittent and constant.  intermittent ones are there to tell you to look at something to see if there is a problem.  constant ones are there to tell you there is a problem that needs to be dealt with.  you don't run to the doctor with every momentary ache or pain, especially as you get older.  you wait until it is consistent.

 

ao, run a blink test, and look at the second digit in the code.  1 is intermittent.  2 is constant.

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One advantage of the Bosch Hammer diagnostic tool is live knock registration. You drive car for a few miles and it counts the knocks. I don't know the count number but CEL doesn't come on until there is a whole bunch of detected knocks. This is due to Adaptive Knock Control which backs timing off per cylinder for a short period of time then slowly returns it to normal. So knock can be temporary and not register as a code.

I've seen a car with really bad injectors and tons of carbon in intake manifold and on pistons set code on cold startup during fuel enrichment period. If I cleared code and drove testing knock registration, I would get a knock count, but no code.
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yeah - i don't think the durametric counts knocks.  i bought a knock counter to do that.  it worked out well, because i could mount it in the car and easily see it while driving.

 

something many don't think about is the fact that carbon build up raises compression, which in turn increases the potential for knocks.  that's why i liked the run rite system so much.  it really got in there and cleaned out a lot of that build up.  it was sad that they made it so hard to get stuff, and i was never able to contact any of their centers.

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