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968 in San Francisco East Bay
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Hi 968 forum members,



This is my first post here. My name's Dave, but my screenname is dep because all the dave's were taken and my nephew calls me dep.



Thanks for all the very helpful advice!



I recently got a black '92 968 coupe. It was a European delivery car, so its options may have been unusual for the year: limited-slip differential, 17" cup wheels with silver caps, sunroof, power seats, cruise control and a radio. Interior is also black with the porsche-labeled cloth seats.



I had been looking for something fun to drive that would fit me better than my '96 Miata (I'm 6'2"). I test drove a few contemporary cars: a Honda S2000, a model 3 Miata, a Subaru WRX. All three had more power than my Miata and also handled well, but even used, they cost more than the $10-15K that I was thinking of spending.



As I looked at various listings on craigslist, I noticed an '85 944 with only 50K miles for sale at a dealer not far away, so my wife and I checked it out. It was incredibly clean, but when I test drove it I noticed that it really didn't seem to accelerate any better than my Miata. The price was also rather high at 11K. After that, I started reading up on the 944 series and focussed my craigslist search on those. I was surprised to find that in the couple of weeks that I was actively looking, I contacted 4 sellers with '89-'91 S2s that ranged in price from 8.5K to 11K.



Eventually in my on-line research I learned of the 968. I had only seen one or two cabs before, and I'd never seen a coupe. On craiglist though, there was a coupe only 10 minutes away, so I went over and test drove it. It felt really good, with good acceleration, great handling, and it was far smoother over rough roads or on the freeway than was my Miata.



The seller wanted 12K for it. It looked great except for some road rash on the front bumper and some little bumps on the hood that I hoped weren't rust but suspected were. I had Bauer Porsche Repair in Oakland look over the car, and they noticed a few more little things: the windshield washer and hatchback release needed work, but the timing belts, etc. looked fine. Inside, it had a couple upholstery touch-ups that needed to be fixed, and there were two 1/4-1/2" dash cracks that weren't very noticeable. It had 88,500 miles on it, had new tires and brakes, and the maintenance record looked good. The biggest question was the nature of the bumps on the hood. They were only in the first foot or so from the front, and judging by the amount of road rash on the bumper, had probably been caused by gravel impacts that had rusted and then been repainted. I didn't see any other signs of rust on the car. I decided to go for it.



After buying it, I had Bauer upgrade the DME relay to the 993 model, inspect the variocam, and fix the rear hatch and windshield washers. I got a few estimates on the bumper and hood, and went with a guy who, after stripping and refinishing the hood, blended the repainted area with the fender color and buffed the whole car so that it all came out looking very nice. I also found a window tint specialist who owned 3 944's! He tinted the rear hatch on mine, a difficult procedure. All told, I put in another 3K, so I'm up to 15K.



One question: I'm thinking about putting some protective film on the front bumper so that I don't get road rash again, but I don't think I want the film line across the fenders or hood. Has anyone tried protective film? Does it degrade and look bad after a few years, or has it been OK?



Thanks again for a great forum! I hope you're enjoying driving your 968 as much as I am mine!
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'92 968 coupe, black on black with script seats and option 220
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Dave -



Congratulations on your "new" 968.



Auto manufacturers have used protective film for years. 944's had protective film stoneguards around the wheel openings. After several years, that film would develop cracks and turn yellow. However, I believe modern films are much more durable, and should last at least several years. At least one manuracturer, VentureShield, offers a lifetime warranty, and other film manufacturers may do likewise.



I have seen film installations on a number of cars, and there are remarkable differences in the quality of those installations. There’s an installer who has done excellent work on a number of Porsches in the East Bay. I don’t know his name, but I believe Auto Affair in Danville (http://www.auto-affair.com) can give you a referral. The Babblers website (www.babblers.org) has a Recommendations page with reviews of a couple installers in the bay area. (You have to register on the Babblers website and log on to view the Recommendations page.)



In any event, I recommend that you be very selective in deciding who should do the work on your car. Ask for references, and take time to look at several installations; you'll probably develop an eye for the good vs. bad ones. PCA Zone 7 (http://zone7.pca.org/index.php?page=concours) has several concours events around the bay area, and the PCA Diablo region (http://dia.pca.org/) has a Wash N' Shine event on Memorial Day weekend. If you're interested in attending any of those, you'll likely see several cars with protective film applied, and you can probably get referrals to installers.



Finally, a post from Porsche Pete's Boxster Board regarding clear paint protection is copied below. You can search for “clear paint protection” in the PPBB archives (http://www.ppbb.com/board/archives.htm) to read the entire thread; the original post was dated 4/23/06.



Good luck, and let us know what you decide. By the way, who did the paint work on your hood?





Joe







I just thought that I would clear up some misconceptions regarding clear paint protection. I have read alot of posts on this board, and being in that industry I thought I would explain some things. I am the sales manager for a large global distributor of paint protection films. We currently carry 3M, Venture Shield and Llumar. I am not trying to sell anything here. I could not sell to any of you even if you wanted to buy from me. We deal in large bulk rolls. I just thought that some industry backround and insite would help all of you make an informed decision regarding this product.

First, at the present time there are only two reputable brands of paint protection. 3M and Venture Shield. Avery, Llumar & Clear Shield are the other players, but they are way behind 3M and Venture. There are advantages and disadvantages to both of those brands as well that I will explain below.

3M

This is the grandaddy of this industry. They invented the product in the early 1990s to help the US Military prevent erosion of helecopter blades in the first Gulf War. When the helos started in the desert, the sand would literally sand blast the leading edge of the blades. So, this product was developed and applied to the leading edges of those blades and that fixed the problem. For the military, long term appearance did not really matter. So, when this first started to be used on cars it would turn yellow after 2-4 years. Since then, the product has been re-engineered several times in order to maintain the appearance for many years. The product is considered 8 mil thick, however it is really 6 mil with 2 mil of adhesive. The 3M product comes with a clear scratch resistant top coat. This allows the product to be very scratch resistant and seals the pores against staining from insects and dirt. The downside to this hard coat is that it has a slight orange peel look.

Venture

This product has been out for roughly 6 years and is the up and comer in this industry. The product is very clear and applies much easier than 3M making hard cars and more elaborate kits possible. This product is the only paint protection product that Scuderia Ferrari recognizes and authorizes. This product is also a 8 mil (6 mil material, 2 mil adhesive), but it does not have a hard top coat. The benefit to this is that the product has virtually no orange peel and looks fabulous on the cars. The negative is that with no hard coat it is easier to scratch and stain. Because of this, Venture requires you to clean the car frequently and protect it with a wax or Plexus type product to stay looking good. Many that already take car of their cars very religiously would apprecaite the better looks of the Venture.

All that being said, I have 3M on my wife's Touareg and Venture on my 996. Both are great products, it just depends on what you want. I would especially recommend Venture on non-matallic paints though like Guards Red or Speed Yellow. On those types of colors the orange peel of the 3M becomes very noticable. On metallic paints, both 3M and Venture should virtually disappear if installed correctly.

Finally, please do not try and install this yourself! This product is very difficult to install well and why would you want your 996 looking less than it's best. You will pay anywhere from $500-$1500 for a good install with either of these films. The range is to take into account amount of coverage and skill of the installer. Do not try and save a dollar here. A bad job is worse than not having it done at all in my opinion.
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Joe

1995 968 Coupe

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NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



Ha Ha.

You bought the car I have been eying.

Congrats.

Besides the dash the car looked like it was a good buy. I'm glad to hear that mechanicly everything is good.



I had a 93' coupe with those seats and once I found that the cloth seats were rare in the US I had been badly searching for one. Then one poped up near by (yours). Someone inspected it for me and said it was solid besides the dash and a needed repaint of the bumper. Unfortunatly the price was out of my range. I will let you know that the owner dropped the price from 14k so you got a decent deal too.



I'll add you to the SF area 968 club.

I'll need to plan a gathering in the May-June area.



Rich
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Rich

'93 968 Coupe Cobalt/Grey Devil with a blue dress on

'96 Ford SHO V8 Silver/Grey Rebuilt Winter '13
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Hi Dep,



Welcome, and thanks for sharing your 968 purchasing experience. Take some time to search trhrough the Forum and you will find so many tips/hints/suggestions to make owning a 968 so much better.



Great group of knowledgeable folks here who share the "sickness"..enjoy!



Regards,



Jay
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I put Venture tape on my RX8 in 2005. Worked really well until the car spent about 6-months on the driveway in SoCal (protected all day at work so it really only was on the driveway on wkends). All of the horizontal surfaces clouded up. I contacted Venture and they sent a guy to replace it. He used a "new" product that was supposed to be better. 6 months later it clouded again. The couding really shows up on black, unfortunately.



Bottom line - if you keep it garaged it is well worth the price. Do the headlights, mirrors, nose. I even did the roof in front of the sunroof. Not one stone chip. When I go to sell I can leave it or remove it and have a pristine front end. Cost me about $650 btw. Completely agree about the installation. Find someone who knows what they are doing. I got a great recommendation from Venture when I did it originally in Pittsburgh. The second guy was not as good and pulled out a box cutter - freehanding stuff. It came out about 80% correct. The right pattern is critical. Don't believe someone if they tell you that they can figure it out without the right pattern. Some of the ciurves in the front are very difficult to freehand from a roll.



WRT the wax line you can go 2 ways. Tape it ( a real pain and not recommended) or just be careful when applying the wax. Stay 1/2" away and it stays clean. Also use Plexus to clean and shine.
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Beautiful 968. There are several of us living on the peninsula so let us know if you want to go for a drive one of these upcoming weekends. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> You could also take a look at my black coupe with the 3m clear bra installed by Clear Armor Protection in San Carlos, CA.
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Hey, thanks for all the informative responses! The info on films is much appreciated.



Joe, the guy that repainted my bumper and hood is James Gaines of Collision on Wheels in Pleasanton at 925-895-2162. I heard about him through Anthony, the detailing manager at Sponges in San Ramon. Anthony had done a great job reviving the paint on my Miata.



Rich, sorry to have beat you to it. I felt 12K was fair price in comparison to the other cars I saw. I probably would have waited, too, had I found it listed at 14K. I had been eyeing a 944 S2 with similar mileage and good maintenance for 11K, so finding this 968 for only a thousand more tipped the scales toward the 968. Let me know if other 968ers in the area are getting together.



Jay, thanks for the welcome!



PorscheG96: A couple of weeks back I drove highway 84 over to the coast, then back on 92, skyline--Great!!! I think 84 was the best road I've driven it on so far. It was in the afternoon and all the traffic was coming back from the coast. Last weekend I took it up to Bodega Bay. There were a few great sections on highway one, but the traffic was too heavy, being a Sunday. So, yeah, it would be fun to get together and see some other 968's. I'd like to see how the clear bra looks over black on your car.
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dep:



You'll have to bring the car out for the run down to Paso Robles in May. Know as the Paso run, this where the Northern California contingent and the Southern California contingent meet. Takes about 3 hours to get down to Paso. There will likely be 5 or 6 cars from NorCal that are going, maybe more. The event date is May 10. I suspect someone will take a head count of those planning on attending in the next or so.
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Welcome -- there are quite a few of us in the East Bay as well. In fact, I keep seeing 968's being driven on the street -- love to find out who all the drivers are...
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Thanks for east bay welcome, Chris & Joe. I didn't realize that Paso Robles was only 3 hours away, so I wouldn't need to take Friday off to make it, just leave pretty early on Saturday. Sounds good to me...



[quote name='Chris Vais' post='51250' date='Apr 21 2008, 12:39 AM']dep:



You'll have to bring the car out for the run down to Paso Robles in May. Know as the Paso run, this where the Northern California contingent and the Southern California contingent meet. Takes about 3 hours to get down to Paso. There will likely be 5 or 6 cars from NorCal that are going, maybe more. The event date is May 10. I suspect someone will take a head count of those planning on attending in the next or so.[/quote]
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I have black 92' coupe as well.Been an awesom vehicle.Good luck with yours.
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2001 Silver Audi TT Quattro Coupe

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I'm in SF proper. . . also a '92 coupe but faster (white). . . cmon down with us to Paso Robles! It will be a fun drive and good food.
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Sean - San Francisco

'92 coupe, white / tan, clutch LSD, early production car (#56)
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Thanks, Mick, glad to hear you've had good luck with yours. Joe, Paso Robles is looking very likely. I'm looking forward to meeting everyone.
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