[Lord_Galva]

Ok, I hope someone can answer this question for me.

If you Turbo or build one of those kit cars how can you pass smog and register it?

Don't you need OEM emission stuff?



I am referencing to California smog laws because I don't know if they are the same in other states.

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[flash]

turbochargers are not legal on these cars for another few years (the car has to be over 20 years old) - nobody has yet gotten one CARB approved



there are a couple of guys playing russian roulette with their cars right now, risking having them impounded (they do that now), and charged with felony fraud (yes, it is a felony) - they have taken it to a smog station and gotten "lucky" that the guy either didn't know any better or was susceptible to a bribe - this is not a good idea



the state is now going after shops that install them



of all of the cars in california that i know of that have been either turbocharged or supercharged, every one of them has been sold or is for sale

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[Anchorman]

If I read the question right, it relates to "kit cars", not our beloved 968.

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[flash]

same difference - a kit car is smogged based on the year of the engine, and what it came with - you need to use an engine that is over 20 years old

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[Anchorman]

So, are you saying that you cannot take a newer certified power train, put it in a kit car, and still be certified?

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[flash]

yes, but it will then be subject to the emissions requirements and equipment of the year of that engine - it would also require a trip to a B.A.R. station to be certified

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[Lord_Galva]

Dang, well that sucks! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/mad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



I was refering to any car ours included, especially after seeing Boost Fiend's ad saying the car is "street certified."

http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?ct=p...&cardist=27



So basicly he really cannot sell the car.

I found out recently that in order to transfer ownership the car, you must turn in a new smog certificate with the title to complete the transfer.

(I'm kinda stuck on that one with the Audi)



Buyer definatly beware!

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[flash]

this is going to sound like i am bashing the car, and i am not - i think he did a great job on it, and somebody is going to be very lucky to get to drive it



but, yeah - it's not "street legal" without the certification from B.A.R. and C.A.R.B.



as for selling it, not legally in california he can't - the seller is responsible for smog legality - technically, a california buyer can force him to remove that stuff - but, unless you got it from a dealer, after the transaction, it's pretty tough to enforce - that doesn't mean that a buyer can't buy it "as is" and deal with it on his own if he wants to



i noticed he also kept the very misleading language of "identical in every way" referring to the factory car - that still just bugs me, seeing how many things are different right off the bat - i think he is hurting his sale potential because a buyer looking for the real thing is going to be very disappointed, and they are the only ones who would pay that kind of price - other people would just look at it as a nice modified car, and maybe kick in 5-8 grand for those mods over the going rate - i would have the same problem if i ever tried to sell my car



i'd still like to know where he got the turbo axles and gear set (assuming he put them in), and if the M030 hubs and spindles are in the car



still, probably a great car to drive though either way

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[Lord_Galva]

Yeah. Actually I better back up too.

I've seen the car in person and it would make an AWSOME track car.

And if his figures are correct (375hp) he has the power of a C5 Z06 in a 968 body.

Ooooooo that would kill at an autocross.



Now I just need to figure out what body part I can sell to buy it. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Now back to the Smog thingy.

Sorry to bring it back up again Flash but my Audi is an 85' so what you are saying is smog shouldn't be a big issue?





Oh, and what are you doing awake at 6am?

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[flash]

i'm sure it puts out what he says it does - those are very easy numbers to achieve



actually turbocharged cars are not that great at an autocross (much better suited for a road race course) - you really have to know how to drive them to get them to work on an autocross - boost coming on in a tight turn is a difficult thing to learn to control - the course are usually so short that you are constantly on/off/on/off boost - makes it hard to keep the car balanced



i just did some homework, and it's bad news for everybody - they changed the law in 05 - my bad - i was not aware of this - now they fixed the date at 1975 - 76 and newer will always require smog - no more 20 or 30 year "rolling windows", or cars "aging out" - that means our cars will need inspections forever



however, i did some further investigation, and found that there is now a loophole - you can indeed get away without a smog inspection IF your car is registered in one of the 6 counties that currently does not require it in certain zip codes within those counties



however, if you travel outside that zip code with the car, you can still be subject to getting nailed if you get pulled over by one of the mobile stations - you could probably win that case in court though - i'm going to do some more research on this one



so, that car is technically legal where it is, but would not be where i am



the laws are getting tighter though, so i would not count on that loophole being open for long



and i am usually up at 5 every day

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[flash]

while this does not indicate that adding otherwise illegal aftermarket components is legal, nor does it indicate that it would be legal to drive the car in zip codes other than these, here is a list of the zip codes that currently do not require a bi-annual inspection:



91917

91935

92035

92061

92065

92982

93501

93505

93519

93523

93524

93527

93528

93554

93555

94018

94019

94020

94021

94037

94038

94060

94074

94503

94508

94515

94515

94550

94562

94567

94573

94574

94576

94924

94929

94933

94937

94938

94940

94946

94950

94956

94963

94970

94971

94972

95023

95076

95140

95416

95431

95433

95442

95452

95476

95487

95622

95950

95953

95957

95982

95991

95992

95993

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[flash]

something else to consider: there is a big difference between being smog legal and smog exempt - the implications are huge



potential ugly scenario number 1:

you have a turbocharged car from a smog exempt zip code - you remove the cat, because it runs stronger - unfortunately this makes it run very dirty - you then drive across the street to a zip code that is not exempt and drive by one of those mobile smog vans - ding! they pull you over and go through your car - you can bet you will get written up for something since they bothered to pull you over, and you may have to sort the smog thing out in court



potential ugly scenario number 2:

that same smog exempt car goes up for sale - in california the seller is responsible for the smog certificate - this means that if the car is sold to a zip code that is not smog exempt, the seller can be required to make it compliant



interestingly enough, guess where those smog vans are deployed? yup - that's right - in the counties with the exempt zip codes - that just cracked me up

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[Lord_Galva]

Dang.

Well hopefully more and more electric cars will become availble making smogging irrelevant. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/tongue.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[flash]

agreed



i used to play the game and put stuff on only to take it off when it came time for inspection - i also had some friendly inspectors - that was a long time ago though - nowadays, with the fines what the are, and felony charges being pressed, it just isn't worth it



lol - if i find a way around it legally though, you can bet i will be taking advantage of it

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