[moliver]

I am Mike and having a serious man vs himself...should I get a 944s2 or a 968.  I don't want a 951.

 

Are parts readily sourced for the 968?

 

Mike

from Rockford, IL

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[94SilverCab]

Hi Mike,

 

You've come to the wrong place if you are looking for someone to talk you out of a 968

 

Parts are obviously easier to come by for a 944, as they are as common as rat turds compared to our beloved 968s.

 

I guess it all depends on your reasons for wanting a "transaxle" Porsche.

 

Jay

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[MLB]

Hi Mike, PM me (madison) if u would like to see/drive my 968

--michael

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[moliver]

OK, I just need the push to the 968 way!  It's got nice curves, 6 speeds...

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[Rap]

It really depends on whether you want to be cool or not. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has a 944.

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[Kaj Hallstrom]

The 968 is so much better made than the 944 and the 928. I have owned both. A lot of issues with both 944's and 928's where fixed in the 968. Just take the clutch replacement for an example..........Then again, as mentioned, you have come to the wrong place for advise .....we're just slightly opinionated here .....LOL

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[moliver]

OK, just bought one..Looks like a descent 1994, with about 110,000 miles on it, black with a tan interior.

 

Thanks for the push!

 

Excited to stick it in the garage and wait for spring!

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[moliver]

Hi Mike, PM me (madison) if u would like to see/drive my 968

--Michael

 

Thanks for the offer Michael, when mine gets here we should meet so you can help me figure out where all the switches etc are in the car!

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[Rap]

It's snowing there already? Drive it.

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[tejon007]

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Mike,

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Please take the time to go over the 968 and make sure it’s ready…but, I agree with Rap.<span style="margin:0px;">  Drive it!!  (at least until the snow flies)  </span>

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Even though nowhere near as powerful or as fast as a 928, the 968 is sexy, made for driving, and is at least as well made as the 928s of the same years (the 928s were made for 18 years from 1978 to 1995 & after overcoming a few “bugs” in the earlier versions and adding some newer features…it became awesome with up to 345 HP in the US/Canada version).<span style="margin:0px;">  </span>

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;"><span style="margin:0px;">​By the way, did you get a cabriolet or a coupe?  </span>

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[ds968]

[quote name="tejon007" post="180802" timestamp="1505665391"

Even though nowhere near as powerful or as fast as a 928..

[/quote]


Not necessarily true ( in terms of the " fast " factor ) ; With the exception of the 928 GTS , the actual performance specs / timed runs between most 928s and the 968 are extremely close , and in some cases the 968 is quicker . Power to weight ratio, gearing , where the peak HP and torque are delivered along the RPM band, all impact the real llife results . Yes, the 928's 8 cyl torque will attain a higher top speed on the freeway and edge the 968 from a rolling 80 mph , and continue past the 156 mph top end of the 968 , but it's by NO MEANS in the " no way near " as powerful category , unless you're simply referring to the pure HP number comparison .

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[moliver]

 

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Mike,

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Please take the time to go over the 968 and make sure it’s ready…but, I agree with Rap.<span style="margin:0px;">  Drive it!!  (at least until the snow flies)  </span>

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Even though nowhere near as powerful or as fast as a 928, the 968 is sexy, made for driving, and is at least as well made as the 928s of the same years (the 928s were made for 18 years from 1978 to 1995 & after overcoming a few “bugs” in the earlier versions and adding some newer features…it became awesome with up to 345 HP in the US/Canada version).<span style="margin:0px;">  </span>

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;"><span style="margin:0px;">​By the way, did you get a cabriolet or a coupe?  </span>

 

 

That's the plan...got a coupe.

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[tejon007]

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">This is really a meaningless debate that doesn’t belong in this introductions topic.<span style="margin:0px;">  Mike asked about the 944 S2 and the 968 - - both really cool cars that anyone should love to have good examples of in their collection.  However, somebody took this question as an opportunity to denigrate/disparage 928s.  928s were well made and “well sorted” by the end of their production.  In fact, I would suggest the 968 wouldn’t be the car it turned out to be…if not for the experience Porsche gained from all the years of 928 production.   </span>

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">However, here’s the explanation (and even though they compare favorably, I do not compare the early 928s against a 1995 968 here…just like I wouldn’t compare a 1978 911 against a 1995 911, as 928s did see improvement during the 18 year-long production run - and I only include specifications for production NA 928 models because the differences will only increase if you include modified models):

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">“nowhere near as powerful” 

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">1992 to 1995 968 = 236 HP and 225 ft. lbs

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">1987 to 1995 928 = 316 to 345 HP and up to 369 ft. lbs.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">345 HP is more powerful than 236 HP (approximately 1.5 times), so the 928 is more powerful.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">369 ft. lbs is more powerful than 225 ft. lbs. (approximately 1.6 times), so the 928 is more powerful.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Or

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">“as fast as a 928” (the 968 is fast, but not as fast as a 928)

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">1987 928 S4: 0 to 60 MPH = 5.4 seconds and quarter mile in 13.7 seconds

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">1995 968 Coupe: 0 to 60 MPH = 6.5 seconds and quarter mile in 14.7 seconds

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">5.4 seconds is faster than 6.5 seconds, so the 928 is faster.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">13.7 seconds is faster than 14.7 seconds, so the 928 is faster.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">Top Speed

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">928 S4 = 165 MPH

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">928 GT = 170 MPH

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">928 GTS = 171 MPH

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">1992 to 1995 968 = 158.4 MPH (you say 156 MPH)

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;">165 to 171 MPH is faster than 158.4 MPH, so the 928 is faster.

<p style="margin:0px 0px 11px;"> 

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[moliver]

You win, facts matter.

 

Now back to waiting for my 968!

 

 

 

This is really a meaningless debate that doesn’t belong in this introductions topic.<span style="margin:0px;">  Mike asked about the 944 S2 and the 968 - - both really cool cars that anyone should love to have good examples of in their collection.  However, somebody took this question as an opportunity to denigrate/disparage 928s.  928s were well made and “well sorted” by the end of their production.  In fact, I would suggest the 968 wouldn’t be the car it turned out to be…if not for the experience Porsche gained from all the years of 928 production.   </span>

However, here’s the explanation (and even though they compare favorably, I do not compare the early 928s against a 1995 968 here…just like I wouldn’t compare a 1978 911 against a 1995 911, as 928s did see improvement during the 18 year-long production run - and I only include specifications for production NA 928 models because the differences will only increase if you include modified models):

“nowhere near as powerful” 

1992 to 1995 968 = 236 HP and 225 ft. lbs

1987 to 1995 928 = 316 to 345 HP and up to 369 ft. lbs.

345 HP is more powerful than 236 HP (approximately 1.5 times), so the 928 is more powerful.

369 ft. lbs is more powerful than 225 ft. lbs. (approximately 1.6 times), so the 928 is more powerful.

Or

“as fast as a 928” (the 968 is fast, but not as fast as a 928)

1987 928 S4: 0 to 60 MPH = 5.4 seconds and quarter mile in 13.7 seconds

1995 968 Coupe: 0 to 60 MPH = 6.5 seconds and quarter mile in 14.7 seconds

5.4 seconds is faster than 6.5 seconds, so the 928 is faster.

13.7 seconds is faster than 14.7 seconds, so the 928 is faster.

Top Speed

928 S4 = 165 MPH

928 GT = 170 MPH

928 GTS = 171 MPH

1992 to 1995 968 = 158.4 MPH (you say 156 MPH)

165 to 171 MPH is faster than 158.4 MPH, so the 928 is faster.

 

 

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[ds968]

Agreed, the performance specifications debate among cars is misplaced and irrelevant in the Introductions thread, but since a comparison was already made, I thought I would respond since I considered a few 928s before I bought my first 968.  Admittedly I did compare the  "published" stats of older / first generation 928s  which varied and often significantly from one car magazine to the next's own tests vis-a-vis Porsche's stated specs, but most run times attained were not that distant from the 968's times.   BTW,  the 0-60 of the 968 six speed coupe is 5.6 sec. ( the '95 tiptronic  cab may be 6.5 ) ..   In any event, back to your regular scheduled program :-) :-).

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[Bulti]

Hi Mike. Check the important things first -belts etc-. Then drive the car. A lot. Garage queens are a sad phenomenon.


Welcome btw!

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[az968]

Welcome! It sure didn't take long to convert you! First "should I buy one" post Sept 15, "bought one" post Sept 16! I suspect you were standing at the precipice Sept 15

 

You'll have fun running it at Black Hawk Farms!

 

Couple of big things to check right away, like the timing belt, before you drive much or risk major $.  Lots of info on this site about critical maintenance items.

 

BTW, you made the right decision!

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[moliver]

Its here!  Made it to Rockford from NH...only a couple drips of oil from the car above on the transport.

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[MCL968]

Post some pics when you have a chance! And make sure you register it with Jeff Coe and the 968 Registry. His information was very valuable when I first acquired my 92 Cab.

 

Congrats, and welcome to the group!

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