[waikiki968]

$4.33 for premium at a Chevron in Honolulu. The ONLY gas station on Lanai is getting $5.19 for regular...



Milk, on the other hand was $9.69 a gallon at the local grocery store last week.

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[stewhatch]

[quote name='Cloud9...68' post='54309' date='Jun 8 2008, 04:33 PM']The prices you hear quoted are for futures contracts, and don't necessarily reflect the actual cost of the oil at the time the particular stock used to produce the gasoline you pumped into your car today.[/quote]

Even if the gas I would've pumped today was exactly the same gas they would have sold me yesterday, cheaper? I don't get it. If the price of oil rises, the prices increase immediately, or so it seems. Isn't this a double standard: prices can rise if oil goes up or futures contracts dictate an increase, but a decrease in the cost of oil doesn't necessarily mean we get a break? Sounds like we can never win.

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[flash]

lol - you're just figuring this out now?

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[ether_joe]

Tesla. . . Tesla. . . Tesla.

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[PorscheDude]

Nikola...Nikola....Nikola...

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[Cloud9...68]

[quote name='stewhatch' post='54319' date='Jun 9 2008, 01:47 AM']Even if the gas I would've pumped today was exactly the same gas they would have sold me yesterday, cheaper? I don't get it. If the price of oil rises, the prices increase immediately, or so it seems. Isn't this a double standard: prices can rise if oil goes up or futures contracts dictate an increase, but a decrease in the cost of oil doesn't necessarily mean we get a break? Sounds like we can never win.[/quote]

Actually, the price of gas has risen a lot SLOWER than the oil futures contract prices, which to me means there's a fair amount of speculation built into the oil prices you hear quoted daily. Either that, or gas is actually cheap, so fasten your seatbelts...



[quote name='ether_joe' post='54355' date='Jun 9 2008, 12:46 PM']Tesla. . . Tesla. . . Tesla.[/quote]

Electric cars? They're great, until you have to turn on your heater or A/C, at which point you can kiss your range goodbye. This is a big part of why not many people are talking about full electrics as a large-scale alternative. On the other hand, some of the emerging hybrid technologies (e.g. the Chevy Volt) sound interesting. The irritating thing is that any of these alternatives are much more complex than the old-fashioned internal combustion, which means they will always be a lot more expensive, so matter how much volume production they may eventually see. Kinda sucks to have to spend more mone to save on gas...

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[PorscheDude]

Gas is cheap. Just look at other countries.

Take the adjusted dollar over the last 60 years or so, and gas is still relatively cheap.





All I can say is:

America keep buying the gas guzzling pigs you call SUV.....

In a year or so SUV's will be sold at major discounts, so get rid of yours now!

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[Cloud9...68]

[quote name='smokiemon968' post='54401' date='Jun 9 2008, 07:17 PM']Gas is cheap. Just look at other countries.

Take the adjusted dollar over the last 60 years or so, and gas is still relatively cheap.





All I can say is:

America keep buying the gas guzzling pigs you call SUV.....

In a year or so SUV's will be sold at major discounts, so get rid of yours now![/quote]

I think SUVs are already being sold at fire-sale prices. I've even heard that this may be a great time to buy one, as long as you don't drive it a whole lot (weekend family use, etc.). Already a lousy time to sell one, though.

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[xrad]

two years ago I could not drive a mile without seein the big Hummer, Yukon, or Tahoe.....all gone now. Now, Can't go 4 miles without seeing a Prius! (this is in Detroit)



Somebody forgot about the first oil crunch and did not plan ahead (BIG THREE) gee, seems so simple, build cars people buy and ALSO have a backup cheaper more economic car people will eventually need...



maybe Ford still has the Pinto molds somewhere.........

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[Gotter]

As a price barometer....



I was in a building on post I'm not normally in today, and wanted a bottle of water. The beverage machine in *my* building dispenses the 16 or 20 oz. bottles, whichever is the norm nowadays, for $1.00-1.25, depending on the flavor. So, it shoulda hit me odd when the price on this machine today was only $.60. Sure, canned soda... but what about the H2O?



A short little 10 oz. bottle. Cute, but expensive! And it got me thinking.



128 oz. in a gallon.

$.60 per 10 oz.

=

$7.68 per gallon. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/ohmy.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />









I should start drinking 87 octane! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[Cloud9...68]

[quote name='xrad' post='54411' date='Jun 9 2008, 07:38 PM']two years ago I could not drive a mile without seein the big Hummer, Yukon, or Tahoe.....all gone now. Now, Can't go 4 miles without seeing a Prius! (this is in Detroit)



Somebody forgot about the first oil crunch and did not plan ahead (BIG THREE) gee, seems so simple, build cars people buy and ALSO have a backup cheaper more economic car people will eventually need...



maybe Ford still has the Pinto molds somewhere.........[/quote]

I'm not saying this to defend the automakers, but the cycle time for getting a new model from design to showroom is about five years, so, unless the Big Three had a crystal ball five years ago that predicted the situation we're in today, there's no way they'd have been ready in time. Now, they should be scolded for weighting their portfolios so heavily toward pickups and SUVs, while their competitors, primarily the Japanese, have tended to have a more balanced mix of offerings.

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[flash]

they should be nailed for delaying the development of efficient vehicles - they have let the short term economics of quarterly profit statements outweigh the long term needs, resulting in a continued high dependence on foreign oil



the people have copped out too in not rallying to enforce this, continuing to buy the gas guzzling products instead of demanding others - i'm as guilty as anybody - i bought the behemoth too



we brought this on ourselves

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[Cloud9...68]

I don't disagree, but I have one question - could somebody please define exactly what "this" is? I was watching a show on one of the business channels, entitled "The Oil Crisis," but the show never even defined what crisis they were talking about. Is it the rising price of oil and gas? But one popular "remedy" is increasing the gas tax, making it even more expensive. When the demand for a commodity increases, it's natural for its price to rise. While this is clearly unpleasant for us consumers, I don't really see that as a "crisis." Is it that we're running out of oil? That may be a legitimately debatable point, but I don't hear many people really talking about it.



Is it that we're too dependent on foreign oil? I'd like to recommend "Gusher of Lies - The Dangerous Delusions of Energy Indepencence" by Robert Bryce. Very eye-opening, and well balanced; if you're a strong partisan on either side, a thick skin is a valuable asset when reading this book. It's good that so many people are taking such an interest in energy, a topic that's fascinated me for a long time, but sometimes (and I'm definitely not pointing to anyone on this board) a nice, clear definition of terms would really be helpful.

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[PorscheDude]

[quote name='J.C.' post='54419' date='Jun 9 2008, 09:07 PM']As a price barometer....



I was in a building on post I'm not normally in today, and wanted a bottle of water. The beverage machine in *my* building dispenses the 16 or 20 oz. bottles, whichever is the norm nowadays, for $1.00-1.25, depending on the flavor. So, it shoulda hit me odd when the price on this machine today was only $.60. Sure, canned soda... but what about the H2O?



A short little 10 oz. bottle. Cute, but expensive! And it got me thinking.



128 oz. in a gallon.

$.60 per 10 oz.

=

$7.68 per gallon. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/ohmy.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />









I should start drinking 87 octane! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/laugh.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]

Its amazing that "coke" is cheaper than water sometimes. And coke has more ingredients including water.

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[Gotter]

[quote name='smokiemon968' post='54450' date='Jun 10 2008, 04:20 AM']Its amazing that "coke" is cheaper than water sometimes. And coke has more ingredients including water.[/quote]

...And then you go to Germany, where Coke is cheaper than water, and then beer is cheaper than Coke!





.... yeah, I miss Germany sometimes...

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[porsche]

we're clipping on $5/gallon in the SW!!!

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[asantana]

Still remember the good old days of cheap petro and all that Boxster Fun:

Check out what the gas price was 8 yrs ago.



Put 28,000 miles during the first year of owning the Boxster.



Let's see what that gas cost was for the 1st year:



Year 2000:

28,000 miles / 22 mpg average x $1.41/per gallon = $1794 for 1 yr of gas



Year 2008:

28,000 miles /22 mpg average x $4.60/per gallon = $5854 for 1st yr of gas



Yikes!

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[xrad]

Cloud9...didn't the middle east war started about 5 years ago...? war is always a good barometer for conservation...



as for Germany, my german friend told me he was paying ~6$ a gallon in 2003...did their price drop?

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[smj]

Back at the end of March 2005 I drove my 944S from Boston to Berkeley. It took around 130 gallons to travel just over 3,175 miles, getting a touch over 24 miles per gallon. Gas for that trip cost me a bit under $300 altogether at an average price of $2.21/gallon.



My cousin is having his wedding in September. I've got vacation time leftover from last year that has to be used, and I was thinking about driving rather than flying. Then I realized the gas bill would probably be four times that amount for a roundtrip at today's prices...

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[flash]

berkeley? are you coming down for the paso robles run?



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