[Lonestar968]

I find myself slowly skidding down that slippery slope again.

Got to lusting... er... reminiscing about a buddy's Maritime Blue 968CS back in Germany. His car was gorgeous, fast, and handled like a go cart. So I started wondering, what are all of the differences between a standard 968, a 968 Sport, and a 968CS? I'm sure there is probably a list out there somewhere but I'll be darned if I can find it here on the forum.

I did find alot of really good info over on the UK site but they don't list actual part numbers and technical stuff related to what came on which car. For example, they note the Sport and CS as having "reduced soundproofing" but they don't state what exactly was omitted and where. Also they mention the front springs are 20mm shorter (lower) than a standard coupe, but what was the spring rate and manufacturer? I'm guessing there was a technical publication or something that lists all this stuff, but I sure can't find it.

Hopefully we can get some of the Euro gang to chime in here and shed some light on the subject, maybe even someone who can share first hand road/track driving experience in their own Sport or CS.

I'm pondering the benefits/detriments of converting my car into a Sport or CS for street/track use rather than just modifying a standard coupe with bolt-ons. Thought it might be a cool kind of "clone" project.

Thoughts?

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[Fox944]

you can modify your car to handle better then an S or CS. If youbuy a car you plan to modify anyway...i dont see a point in buying an S or CS (outside of better resale). If you are tracking your car, you would swap the suspension on either for a nice coilover setup. Likewise with the brakes...if you are going to get something like big reds...you would be swapping them on either car.

I've driven an MO30 car, and my standard coupe (with modified suspension) is more composed/stable. Especially over uneven/rough surfaces.

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[968Syncro]

Dan,

The descriptions are in these 4 books, but not part numbers and the like, would suggest getting them if you don't have them. 2-3 of them go in in great detail about the exact differences between the models. Here are the Amazon links:

Porsche 924, 944 and 968 (Collector's Guide)

Porsche 968 (Osprey Classic Marques)

Porsche 968 - Limited Edition Extra (Limited Edition Extra S.)

Original Porsche 924/944/968: The Guide to All Models

I poured through these over and over again when I first got the 968, it has been a while, sorry it would be some work to retype the contents, but these are good volumes to have in your collection if not already, I remember some of them being quite descriptive about the models.

Roland

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[Lonestar968]

Awesome, guys! Thanks for the feedback AND for the links!

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[thingo]

The CS is noticeably lighter to drive.

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[flash]

the CS, in full on version (and there are an amazing number of variations) is 110lbs lighter than the standard car

the Sport, which was only sold in the UK, in general, is in between the CS and the standard car

neither car were ever imported here - there are a couple of cars that have been federalized, but at extreme expense

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[968Oz]

One important variation is that not all CSs are M030. Why you'd want to order one without M030 escapes me but there are some out there.

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[flash]

yeah - that's what i meant by the "variations" - i've seen stuff like cloth seats, no M030, and all sorts of changes - you have to be very careful when thinking about looking closely at one of those cars, if you are after the full on version

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[RS Barn]

Dino,
Are U saying my MO30 was less complient than your car?
Just kidding.
Pete

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[flash]

lol - yeah - i never have understood why some people seem to rave about the M030 suspension, and others think it's incredibly rough, even within a group that drives modified suspensions

personally, i don't like the jittery nature - it's not so much a harsh thing (though it is not the most compliant) but just that it's twitchy - i attribute this to the gas preload - i've got about twice the spring rate of an M030 car, and a lot better ride quality

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[Lonestar968]

Without hijacking... Flash, can you go into more detail about your setup? I've been reading technical publications as well as forum threads and I'm learning alot about preload and rebound damping concerning coilover suspensions and suspension geometry.

I'm trying to wrap my head around the whole compound vs. progressive vs. multi-spring spring rate. Then there's preload/rebound/gas/hydraulic/viscosity/remote reservoir/etc etc etc. But don't forget poly bronze bushings vs. improved nylon vs. hardened rubber vs. Delrin vs. polyurethane etc. etc. etc.

The variables are truly mind boggling and so are the prices! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/wacko.gif[/img]

I'm trying to get smart so when it comes time to pull the trigger on the new suspension, I'll know what the heck to buy and be happy I did. I know alot of the final decision in any suspension upgrade is a personal preference thing, but how can a person do the math to help make the right decision the first time?

Thanks!

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[Fox944]

ill you be at hershey this year? There will be a lot of cars there with diff. suspension set-ups. You could take rides in a few of them....that may help you decide on what you like best?

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[flash]

going into my setup here would definitely be off-track for the thread

pretty sure i have a thread about the setup already though - do a search as see - if not, contact me

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