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[Porsche968CS]

Yes, it's an '94 model year car. This is the info I have about it, does it seem correct?

OrderType: 968111
ModelYear: 1994
Engine Type: M44.43
Gearbox Type: G44.00

Code Name
C23 Australian specification
M130 Labeling in English
M197 Heavy battery and alternator
M219 Differential
M379 Series seat, left electrical vertical adjustment
M380 Series seat, right electrical vertical adjustment
M398 Cup wheel, 17-inch
M423 Cassette container and coin box
M425 Rear Window Wiper
M441 Fader, power antenna, 4 speakers
M479 Version for Australia
M480 6 speed manual transmission
M490 Sound Package
M492 H4 headlights for left hand traffic
M561 Airbag, driver's side
M567 Graduated tint windshield, green side glass
M573 Air conditioner
M602 Araised stop lamp
M605 Headlight vertical aim control
M650 Sunroof
M651 Power windows
M657 Power steering
M685 Devided rear seats
M693 CD-Radio London rdm 42

[jeff968]

"Mine is a '95 coupe; #264. I here there is a #310 out there."

The highest VIN North American coupe out there is SS820319. It is a black/black 6spd car that went to Canada. The summer yellow coupe (color to sample - solid) is SS820318.

[jeff968]

"I dare to doubt that. I've got a database with basic factory info of (pretty much?) all Porsche 944s and 968s and according to it some 968s where built in Neckarsulm (i.e. in the 924/944 factory). Here, these are not taken into account. I've got info about six US spec (4 coupes and 2 cabriolets) and nine RoW (6 coupes and 3 cabriolets) spec cars. These are very early prototypes I assume.

If this info is correct Gilders car is #12..."

If those cars exist, they never made it to the US. They are not part of the regular production run so Gilder's car is #8 in the regular production run of coupes.

[Porsche968CS]

I think you're right about that these cars may never have made it to the US. They have US VIN numbers though. And Porsche never threw pre production cars away (like other manufacturers did) as can be read on German Porsche forums. I'm pretty sure that at least some are still in existence.

What’s quite interesting when studying the car data is that all those Neckarsulm cars have S2 engines and are loaded with options! I can post the factory data here of someone’s interested.

[jeff968]

"What’s quite interesting when studying the car data is that all those Neckarsulm cars have S2 engines and are loaded with options! I can post the factory data here of someone’s interested."

yes, please do. That would be great to see. Do you have something like CarFax, where you can plug in a VIN and get information back, in Europe?

Edited by jeff968, 16 August 2010 - 07:40 AM.

[Porsche968CS]

I've got my data directly from Porsche. Since I'm mainly interested in the 4-cilinder cars I only have data of the 924, 944 and 968 starting from the '81 model year. At the moment my DB contains 229239 cars which I will eventually make available for everyone on a web page. It’s a quite time consuming process (i.e. normalization) so this will not be anytime soon :-(

I miss colour and interior info but apart from that all data is there. I might be missing data of some cars as well so I would be very interested in your help to verify the numbers especially since there's no data available (books, internet etc.) which is 100% correct. All the 20+ books I’ve read on the subject so far contain a lot of errors regarding this.

The number of US cars I've got info about:

1992 N Coupe 653
1992 N Cabriolet 669
1993 P Coupe 608
1993 P Cabriolet 354
1994 R Coupe 718
1994 R Cabriolet 681
1995 S Coupe 259
1995 S Cabriolet 306
Total: 4248 (specifications: 4065 US, 178 CAN, 4 German (?) and 1 Puerto Rican)

Does this seem correct compared with your info?

The four Neckarsulm Coupe cars:

WP0AB2961NN820001: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M139, M249, M288, M340, M437, M438, M454, M586, M650
WP0AA2966NN820002: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M418, M425, M454, M650, M946
WP0AA2968NN820003: C02. M44.41, G08.3F, M288, M437, M438, M526, M650, M990
WP0AB2967NN820004: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M139, M249, M288, M340, M437, M438, M526

Looks like the European spec prototypes were better equipped then the US ones. Interesting to see is that the prototypes which are equipped with an automatic gearbox (i.e. 1 and 4) are given gearbox code G08.3F (S2, 5 speed).

I hope this info is of any interest.

[jeff968]

I agree that there is a lot of wrong information out there. I have been collecting just 968 data for 14 years and have a complete cabriolet database and I should be done with the coupes shortly. Below are the numbers I have for the North American production which includes the Canadian cars and a couple with German emissions as well. I've left your numbers to the left of mine:

The number of US (North American) cars I've got info about:

1992 N Coupe 653 649
1992 N Cabriolet 669 667
1993 P Coupe 608 608
1993 P Cabriolet 354 354
1994 R Coupe 718 718
1994 R Cabriolet 681 681
1995 S Coupe 259 259
1995 S Cabriolet 306 306
Total: 4248 (specifications: 4065 US, 178 CAN, 4 German (?) and 1 Puerto Rican)
Total: 2,234 coupes, 2,008 cabs

Does this seem correct compared with your info? We are pretty close with our numbers.

The four Neckarsulm Coupe cars:

WP0AB2961NN820001: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M139, M249, M288, M340, M437, M438, M454, M586, M650
Shouldn't this be WP0AA2964NN820001?
WP0AA2966NN820002: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M418, M425, M454, M650, M946
WP0AA2968NN820003: C02. M44.41, G08.3F, M288, M437, M438, M526, M650, M990
WP0AB2967NN820004: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M139, M249, M288, M340, M437, M438, M526
Shouldn't this be WP0AA296XNN820004?

I checked all 4 on CarFax and none of them have any history here in the US so as I suspected, they never made it here.
The option codes you listed for these 4 are pretty standard here in the US. Too bad you don't have the exterior and interior codes. I have seen that the earlier cars have some of the more unusual exterior/interiors.

Good stuff, thanks for posting.
Jeff

[Porsche968CS]

So apart for the Neckarsulm cars (4 coupes and 2 cabriolets included in my totals of '92) our numbers are identical. That's good news!

Do you have all the info (including colour info) about all these cars?

The posted VIN numbers of the Neckarsulm cars are correct as for as I know.

[jeff968]

So apart for the Neckarsulm cars (4 coupes and 2 cabriolets included in my totals of '92) our numbers are identical. That's good news! Yes it is!

Do you have all the info (including colour info) about all these cars? Yes I do!

The posted VIN numbers of the Neckarsulm cars are correct as for as I know. Post the two cabs if you can.

[Porsche968CS]

'Do you have all the info (including colour info) about all these cars? Yes I do!

How did you manage? Can you help me to get these two codes so I can complete my DB?

'The posted VIN numbers of the Neckarsulm cars are correct as for as I know. Post the two cabs if you can. '

WP0CA296_NN840001: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M249
WP0CA296_NN840002: C02, M44.41, G08.3F, M249, M288, M340, M437, M438, M454, M586

[jeff968]

"How did you manage? Can you help me to get these two codes so I can complete my DB?"

I've been collecting this data for 14 years so it has been a long process. Send me a PM and I'll see what I can do to help you with the other codes.
Jeff

[williamoss]

mine is 0296 1995 Coupe Aventine Green

William Moss
Tigard OR

[jeff968]

"mine is 0296 1995 Coupe Aventine Green"

William,
That is a nice car. Here are the details:

#2,211 of 2,234
1 of 64 Aventurine green metallic coupes
1 of 17 Aventurine green metallic coupes paired with a classic gray interior
1 of 2 M030 Aventurine coupes (the other Aventurine car is known to this board as well and has been owned by two of the members)
Your car is nicely optioned and is 1 of 16 coupes produced without a console lid, something you only see on the last production cars.

I could use the production date of your car (found on the driver's door jam).
Thanks
Jeff

[flash]

you don't have this one? this is the one that biotechee owned, as well as pete

[jeff968]

"you don't have this one? this is the one that biotechee owned, as well as pete"

Bob, you're right. I thought this was the other aventurine M030 car. For some reason I was thinking Jim/Pete's car had the black/marble gray interior (which you would find on the other car).
Thanks for correcting me. Still a great car, both of them!
Jeff

[flash]

no worries - i was pretty sure you had this one, as it has been around the group for a while

[Monstrous4Banger]

#0415. MY 93. 1,004 over all if my math is right.

[jeff968]

"#0415. MY 93. 1,004 over all if my math is right."

Correct!!! White car, right? With the light gray and black partial leather interior.

[Monstrous4Banger]

Yeah white, I believe partial leather. Only thing black is floormats, top of dash, and top of door panels. and center console trim. Ive scanned through the registries, looks like about 7 968's with white ext on light grey int. 4 coupes, 3 cabs? Im thinking about going with black carpet, and light grey floormats tho. Reversing it from how it is now.

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[jeff968]

"Yeah white, I believe partial leather. Only thing black is floormats, top of dash, and top of door panels. and center console trim. Ive scanned through the registries, looks like about 7 968's with white ext on light grey int. 4 coupes, 3 cabs? Im thinking about going with black carpet, and light grey floormats tho. Reversing it from how it is now."

It is a rare combo. The thing about it is there is another combo that is similar for the 94.5 to 95s called black/marble gray.

As for counts, I'm not yet done with the coupe registry but here is what I have:

Black/Light Gray (92-94.5)
Coupes - 4
Cabs - 8
Black/Marble Gray (94.5-95)
Coupes - 8
Cabs - 4 (1 with a black top, the other 3 with gray)

Jeff