[ds968]

was at a used (exotics) car dealer in S.F. that has various interesting vehicles in the showroom , mostly on consignment.. among them a Panoz, a Spyker, Carrera RS, 67 Jag, a Dino, a couple of 911turbos, etc..

and here was this red 1986 944 turbo in clean condition, but by no means showroom IMO, and IIRC with about 31,000 miles on it . asking price : $ 17,800 . HUH ?! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/ohmy.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



thinking I'll leave my 968 there with an asking price of $ 50,000 on it... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[PorscheDude]

There is a sucker born every minute.

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[SpeedRacer64]

[quote name='ds968' post='46922' date='Feb 5 2008, 07:15 PM']was at a used (exotics) car dealer in S.F. that has various interesting vehicles in the showroom , mostly on consignment.. among them a Panoz, a Spyker, Carrera RS, 67 Jag, a Dino, a couple of 911turbos, etc..

and here was this red 1986 944 turbo in clean condition, but by no means showroom IMO, and IIRC with about 31,000 miles on it . asking price : $ 17,800 . HUH ?! <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/ohmy.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



thinking I'll leave my 968 there with an asking price of $ 50,000 on it... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]



Interesting...I was just having this conversation, in one hand I’m thankful, as it allowed me entrance into the exotic world of Porsche, in the other, it’s truly perplexing how such a great car with such low production numbers, trades at the value they do...I just don’t get it

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[PorscheDude]

Cars and technology have come along way in just 5 years yet alone 15 or 20.

When the 951 was introduced it was a technological tour de force.

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[94SilverCab]

I know we've had this conversation before, but if we all agreed that our cars were worth $100k and held firm, the prices would surely rise.



You're half way there Dan...though I think your asking price is a bit cheap <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/dry.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



Jay

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

[quote name='smokiemon968' post='46925' date='Feb 5 2008, 08:48 PM']When the 951 was introduced it was a technological tour de force.[/quote]



Amen to that! With a top speed of 162, twin airbags, ABS, 50/50 balance, and a 10-speaker stereo system (not important to me), the 1989 Turbo was quite a GT car. As an owner of a 1989 Turbo, I am quite proud of the fact that on some tracks, the Turbo Cup car was able to best even the vaunted 959. I have owned my Turbo since 1999, and hope to keep it until my dying day. In addition to its being my first Porsche, there is just something magical about it--perhaps it is the rush I always get when the turbo kicks in--that causes me to never want to part with it. Echoing the sentiments of some here, it is interesting that the Turbo doesn't command more. Since I bought my 1989 in 1999, the price has actually risen a bit, thankfully. As I recall the values for which my 1989 traded hands, it is staggering as to just how much it depreciated: $47,400 in 1989 (sticker) and $26,200 in July of 1992 (26,000 miles). I then paid $11,850 for it in August of 1999 (87,500 miles). Now she has 107,500 miles, is all original (including the radio), and is in outstanding condition. Considering that I have enjoyed the car thoroughly for 8.5 years now, and have had no problems whatsoever, it would certainly take a lot more than $11,850 for me to let her go. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/biggrin.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[saxman]

was this the dealer up behind the lambo/bentley dealer?



only place in SF I've seen with a panoz

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[PorscheDude]

Well said Jon. If I sell my 968 I am keeping my 951. The boost is fun.

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[kodomokid]

This store sounds like fun. Is this place on Van Ness?



I think I saw a low mileage Turbo sell for around 16K in the Reader's Sales Report in Excellence. These cars are just getting harder to come by. For the right buyer, it was worth every penny.

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[ds968]

The dealer is on Franklin ( next street up from / parallel with Van Ness) at Bush. I think it's called Dwydiak (?)or something like that...



Jon, from what I understand the 88 or 89 turbos ( though I have limited knowledge about the differences from year to year ) were superior and quicker than the first generation ones.. also, I was by no means insulting the car itself, heck I've driven a 944 for 18 years and still think it's one of the best cars out there, but rather comparing the 968 and '86 944T in terms of value.. which is what I found shocking. I recall a co-worker selling a councours quality 944 turbo with less than 25k mi IIRC, and he could not even get 12K for it, about two years ago.. I think he sold it under 10K, but not sure.

Furthermore, would anyone, or even any of us really buy a 951 if for the same amount ( $18k) you can get a 968 in pretty nice shape ?!



The 968s still turn heads everywhere , not sure anyone even notices a 951 anymore because they do look dated..so I have to believe that alone has to have a huge influence on the market value, and yet it doesn't to the degree that it should.. SIGH...



don't really care, I'm never selling mine, but it's the principle dammit <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/rolleyes.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[kodomokid]

[quote name='ds968' post='46959' date='Feb 6 2008, 09:05 AM']The dealer is on Franklin ( next street up from / parallel with Van Ness) at Bush. I think it's called Dwydiak (?)or something like that...[/quote]



Thanks. I will go check it out the next time I up in the City. Problem is that my wife may not let me go if she is with me. Oh well.





I looked back and found that the 944 Turbo in Excellence was an '86 that went for 16K.

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[wjk_glynn]

Here's a link to that $18K 944 Turbo in San Francisco: http://www.carsauto.com/detail.cfm?ID=248972



Here's a link to a 944 Turbo S with an asking price of $36K: http://www.rpmsportscars.com/door36.htm



Karl.

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[wjk_glynn]

[quote name='ds968' post='46959' date='Feb 6 2008, 09:05 AM']Furthermore, would anyone, or even any of us really buy a 951 if for the same amount ( $18k) you can get a 968 in pretty nice shape ?![/quote]



I'd at least consider it, quite strongly actually. Lets say I had to chose between a '95 968 6-speed coupe and a '89 951, both in similar condition/mileage, both in the right colors, etc. -- it would be a tough call.



[quote name='ds968' post='46959' date='Feb 6 2008, 09:05 AM']The 968s still turn heads everywhere , not sure anyone even notices a 951 anymore because they do look dated..so I have to believe that alone has to have a huge influence on the market value, and yet it doesn't to the degree that it should..[/quote]



Let me start by saying that the 968 is clearly a 'better' car than a 951. More refined, better asthetics, G50 transaxle, no turbo lag, etc. And on average, will be in better condition. But in the overall history of Porsche, the 968 was the last edition of a long model line. Beautifully executed, but not so "significant".



IMO, the 951 was a more significant car overall. Introduced in 1985 (MY1986), it had almost the performance to run with 930s and entry level V8 Ferraris of the time. And the same handling characteristics that make the 968 so great, first appeared in the 951.



And the significance of a model has its own appeal, at least to a certain group of folks.



As regards the asthetics, a 951 turns my head (so does the 968). And I find in the San Francisco Bay Area that 951s are (almost) as rare as 968s. It seems a lot of 951s have ended up at the dismantlers. And as regards 951s looking dated, that's part of their appeal to me.



But going back to the original question of which I'd chose... I'd probably buy a 968... in white.



Karl.

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