[Harvey]

I'm ashamed to say that I've never known a car that needs cheesehead wrenches or sockets. In fact, I called a local parts dealer and he didn't know what I was talking about. What's the other name for the sockets that are needed to remove the bolts that hold the cams in?



Harvey

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[SANDOVAL]

They are also called Triple Square.



Money not an issue:

Snap on:



http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/search_keyw...d=triple+square





On a budget:



Ebay:

http://search.ebay.com/triple-square_W0Q...QQfromZR40



Pelican parts AKA Drivewerks:

http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/shopcart...T066-detail.htm



dmstools

http://www.dmstools.com/master/ap7805.htm

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[Harvey]

Thanks, Sandoval.



Based on your excellent instructions, I just ordered a set over the Internet. They'll get delivered next week. Much, much thanks. I'd never have guessed them to be called "triple square."



Thanks, again,



Harvey



[quote name='SANDOVAL' date='Apr 14 2005, 05:02 PM']They are also called Triple Square.



Money not an issue:

Snap on:



http://buy1.snapon.com/catalog/search_keyw...d=triple+square

On a budget:



Ebay:

http://search.ebay.com/triple-square_W0Q...QQfromZR40



Pelican parts AKA Drivewerks:

http://www.drivewerks.com/catalog/shopcart...T066-detail.htm



dmstools

http://www.dmstools.com/master/ap7805.htm

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

Harvey,



So you are going ahead and removing your camshafts? I thought you had decided not to go forward with it, since your inspection was sterling. Since you are, be very careful when removing the cheesehead bolts. I just removed my camshafts tonight, and would have removed them last Saturday, but guess what... I stripped 2 of the first 4 bolts that I attempted to remove, which were on the camshaft bridge. Because I got an EZ-out stuck in one of the bolts, it took me 5 hours to remove it. As I continued removing bolts (or attempting to <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> ), despite my best efforts, I stripped 3 of the 16 bolts that held the camshaft saddles in place. Again, more drilling, and let me tell you, it's no fun when you are having to drill around such a sensitive area as that. (The saddles and the bridge are non-replaceable parts... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> ) I just wanted to warn you and to encourage you to be extra cautious.



In fact, I would read this before beginning the job: http://www.clarks-garage.com/shop-manual/bolt-01.htm. Although I was aware of these steps, I still stripped bolts. I was using a set of bits, which are more difficult to keep steady than actual sockets. Just yesterday, I ordered a set of XZN (Triple Square) sockets, and hope this will preclude my stripping these bolts in the future.



Best of luck to you, and if you have any trouble, let me know.



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[Eric_K]

The triple square driver you use for the cam job is the same tool which is used to remove the CV joints and the clutch pressure plate. If you work on your own car you will be using it again eventually. Buy good ones.



Eric

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[apex]

[quote name='Eric_K' date='Apr 15 2005, 09:20 AM']The triple square driver you use for the cam job is the same tool which is used to remove the CV joints and the clutch pressure plate. If you work on your own car you will be using it again eventually. Buy good ones.



Eric

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Trip squares seem to crop up in a number of places on the car - the door catch also uses 'em.



Queston: I seem to remember reading somewhere that the pressure plate bolts don't have a lot of clearance so a long triple-square bit won't work there? True?



You're right Eric - I want to get a GOOD tool in the right size and not have to purchase it twice.

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

[quote name='Eric_K' date='Apr 15 2005, 08:20 AM']The triple square driver you use for the cam job is the same tool which is used to remove the CV joints and the clutch pressure plate. If you work on your own car you will be using it again eventually. Buy good ones.



Eric

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Absolutely! I found out the hard way that the bits don't work very well at all. That why I now have some Snap-ons on the way. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> After the nightmare of removing 5 stuck bolts from my cylinder head, I said, "never again if I can help it."

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[Eric_K]

Queston: I seem to remember reading somewhere that the pressure plate bolts don't have a lot of clearance so a long triple-square bit won't work there? True?

You can use a longer bit for the pressure plate bolts because you can rotate them into bellhousing opening where there is room to work. The larger flywheel cheeseheads however are not exposed for a straight shot with a tool of much length.



Eric

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[gryphon]

I can't find these on the Craftsman site, but then I can't find lots of things on the Craftsman site. Do they have any?



Also wondering what sizes should comprise a decent set.



Thanks,

Tom

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

[quote name='gryphon' date='Apr 16 2005, 12:13 PM']I can't find these on the Craftsman site, but then I can't find lots of things on the Craftsman site. Do they have any?



Also wondering what sizes should comprise a decent set.



Thanks,

Tom

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Tom, I also was unable to find Craftsman XZN sockets or bits. I asked many attendants, exhaustively searched the site, and came up empty. I am 99.9% sure that Craftsman does not make them. However, if we don't mind putting our hands up, we can always count on Snap-on. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[gryphon]

Harvey, as far as Snap On, I've always felt that the quality (and price) were not necessary for my skill level and liklihood of wearing them out. I don't buy junk, but Craftsman and brands of similar quality work fine for me.



Thanks for the reply.



Tom

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

[quote name='gryphon' date='Apr 16 2005, 03:26 PM']Harvey, as far as Snap On, I've always felt that the quality (and price) were not necessary for my skill level and liklihood of wearing them out. I don't buy junk, but Craftsman and brands of similar quality work fine for me.



Thanks for the reply.



Tom

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Tom, I am a big fan of Craftsman, too, and if they made an XZN socket set, I would have a set of them. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



I missed your question earlier about what would constitute a good set of XZN sockets. You will need: 6mm, 8mm, 10mm, and 12mm. It seems that I use the 8mm is used most frequently, and, because the 8mm is used in a very delicate area of our cars--the cylinder head--I decided to purchase the Snap On socket of this size. Contributing to this also is, despite my best efforts, I stripped 5 bolts while working on my cylinder head last week. After drilling for about 12 hours (I also managed to snap off an EZ out in one of the bolts), I decided that I never again wanted to have to drill on my cylinder head, hence the purchase of the Snap On 8mm XZN socket.



There is a solid set of XZN sockets that can be had for a reasonable price. They are made by VIM, and often you can find them on eBay for $30.00 plus shipping. After searching extensively, I was able to find the same set at only $19.48 plus shipping. You can find them at that excellent price here: http://www.nationalwholesaletools.com/inde...ROD&ProdID=7920 . As you will see, you also will receive several XZN sockets that, to my knowledge, are not used on our cars. But hey, just in case.... <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />



One more thing: I would not get the set of bits that can be found at AutoZone for $12.99. That is what I used last week, and although I was as careful as I could be, I still stripped 5 bolts. I have heard others report the same results.



I hope this helps in your purchasing decision.

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[NeedPorscheSpeed]

Tom (and others who might be interested),



I found an even better deal on the VIM XZN sockets: http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/vimxzn100.html



They are $18.07, however there is a $3.50 surcharge for orders less than $50.00.



Another attractive option, although a bit more costly, is this set of SK Facom XZN sockets:



http://www.sjdiscounttools.com/sk19704.html



They are $33.35, and SK is a high quality toolmaker. I am considering cancelling my order with Snap On and just buying this SK set. I trust their reputation, and this is a great price.



I just thought I would relay my findings. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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