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things that resonate with me.....or don't
#1

as a part of my stereo install, i have been applying Dynamat Extreme everywhere i can to cut down on road noise and such. it has been extremely effective on killing noise from about 200hz on up.



unfortunately, my new exhaust has created a resonant frequency about 100hz. this is below what the Dynamat can deal with.



to make matters worse, the trunk of the cab is essentially a bass trap. the floor of the trunk acts like a resonant membrane, and transfers the energy into the trunk. in a bass trap you would then absorb the energy inside a sealed chamber, thus killing those resonant frequencies.



the real problem is that the trunk is not sealed, and the rear seat backs allow the sound to move forward into the cabin. i decided to see what i could do about killing that resonance.



i had already applied Dynamat Extreme to most of the surfaces in the trunk area. i added more, finishing off almost all of the surfaces there. better, but not done.



i then removed the foam on the trunk lid and added more Dynamat Extreme there, and then reinstalled the foam. better still, but still not enough.



i then thought i would try Dynapad. this is a very heavy 3 layer foam product designed specifically to address low frequencies. i was skeptical, but i bought it anyway. even just laying the stuff down in the trunk i could tell it was going to work. after cutting and fitting it, the end result is that i have knocked down at least half of the resonance, and it is now more than tolerable. in fact, it is so quiet now with the windows up that every other little noise is making me crazy. it likely means i need to go back to rubber bushings in a few spots, as the solid ones are now audible.



i highly recommend this product, and not only in cabs. it would make a huge difference in a hardtop, since they also have the problem of the big dome in the rear that pushes everything forward.



i'll snap some pics this afternoon.
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#2

Sounds interesting, Flash. Never heard of this stuff before!
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#3

So putting it under the carpet in the rear (where I have a Dynamat equivalent now) would work essentially catching the reflected sound from the rear hatch window?
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#4

yes, it goes under the carpet



no it will not stop the reflection. it stops the sound from entering the cabin. the stuff you have now, like the dynamat extreme, does not stop the low frequencies, which is about half of the sound entering the cabin.
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#5

Flash, how thick is this DynaFoam?



And does it have the super-annoying silver foil finish on it, like DynaMat?



I wish they would just make that stuff black.
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Dynapad - 1/2" thick



black - no foil



by the way, the dynamat extreme i just got is also black "black by popular demand"
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#7

flash - did you line the spare tire well or lay the dynapad over it? wonder if the dynapad could/should be bonded to the back of the carpet



dynapad performance looks similar to luxury liner pro from second skin, but priced better and weighs 0.2 lb/sqf less.
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#8

I may not be a sound wizard but what sound are you trying to get rid of? i enjoy the sound of my B&B exhaust. I do have some have tire noise that is a bit annoying, so will all of this "mat" get rid of that? I am not a big on a a booming sound system. As long as I can hear the music out of the strandard speakers that's fine.
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you would be amazed at how different things get when you get rid of the noise.



our cars are not quiet. a LOT of road noise enters the cabin. it is all sorts of things like exhaust, tire noise, wind, neighboring cars, etc. when you get rid of all that, you really can start to enjoy the stereo. it should sound just like your stereo at home. you should not have to compromise. but, porsche did a very piss poor job of dealing with noise. mercedes does a lot better job, as do many other manufacturers. obviously cost and weight are considerations, but it really doesn't take that much to make it a LOT better.



stereos are not the only reason to do this. even with the stereo off, the car is much more pleasant to drive. the oppressive noise really tires you out. getting rid of that is very relaxing. i can still hear my exhaust, but it's in the background and no longer tires my ears. i'd go batty if i had to listen to a B&B all day. it's just too much of a constant drone. that may be fine for short drives, but after a half hour of that, i want out of the car. that doesn't work for me, since i like to take very long drives. my latest system was a bit like that. couldn't be helped though if i wanted all of the power. now it's much quieter.



i have a couple of small spots i'm going to deal with tonight and tomorrow, but i'm really happy with what has absolutely transformed this car.



of course, now i need to go back to rubber bushings in a few places, as the spherical ones are now annoying. in the stock noisy car, they get masked. as soon as i knocked down the noise, it became very apparent that these are not for a street car. on top of that, with the yokohamas, they make the car tramline a lot more than i'd like. so, i'm going to get a double bonus by going back to rubber caster blocks. i think the noise in the rear is the drop links. i'll probably come up with an adjustable rubber one for that



very happy with the results though. i still haven't snapped any pics, but i'll get to it tomorrow.
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#10

Flash,



Sorry to drop this here, but can you email me. I cannot send you a PM and I don't have your email on my new computer, nor is my computer with me currently (working off an iPad).



Thanks.
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done
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#12

I'm off next week and the car is still down with its electrical guts laying all over the place. Good time to finish my Dynamatting - if I can figure out how to get the hatch open with no power in the car!
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#13

Have you seen this stuff - couple of options...sounds interesting as a sound blocker option





http://cascadeaudio.com/car_noise_contro...rriers.htm
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#14

Do the coupes have the hatch tripwire in the rear fender like the cabs? If so, pop the door vent and voila.
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i don't think they have the loop. i know the club sports had a pull lever there though, so the cable may be there. you can definitely access the mechanism from the inside though. ask mr mister and rxter about that one. lol
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#16

here's a shot of the trunk (the carpet is removed so you can see the dynapad):



   
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#17

I might throw one of those pads down under the carpet ( all of the trunk space , cubby holes , etc, is already lined with Dynamat ) and see..well, hear..the results. If it muffles the sound of my BB by even 1/100 of a DB , I'm removing it and placing it in the SUV trunk. Like Cosimo, I love hearing that BB exhaust note all the time and don't want it diminished in any way, but I would not mind cutting out some of the multitude of road and other sounds that big glass hatch manages to amplify.
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#18

can't kill one without the other.



p.s. - i can still hear my exhaust note just fine. now though it's smoother and less resonant, and the entire experience in the car is better because my ears are no longer being tired by all the noise. in relative terms, all sounds went down pretty much equally, so it's not like you lose the exhaust note and not the other stuff.
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#19

Where does one find these mats? how much do they cost? Thanks
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crutchfield is where i got mine. the dynapad was $180
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