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Surviving Covid19 ...... There's no keeping us down!
#21

The depletion of TP rolls only proves that there are apparently a lot more a**holes that we thought ..


Bob, correct ! ( truth be known, it’s much more of a facade than reality, but too late to change a reputation at which I worked so hard to develop ;-) )
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#22

It's okay Rap, the price of fuel/gas will be balanced by the price of Tp ..... so then the question will be .... shall I go out for a drive or go for a cr**p?
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#23

Just a misunderstanding.    
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#24

Very funny Smile Smile I love the pics and quotes doing the rounds.


But more seriously....So how will life look like when we come out of all this?


Surely many, many, more people will work from home. Many, many, more meetings will be virtual.

I would hope that much manufacturing would be relocated from China back to UK/USA/EU.

WIll HS2 be needed? (that is a UK £100bn rail infrastructure upgrade)

I would hope that many better (for us, for the environment) approaches to life and work will be realised, and not just a return to how things were.

Personally I'm glad to be retired and wish everyone well who is still working, especially in the financial sectors.

But retirees aren't going to escape all this. My pension is augmented by several rentals. I've already written saying not to worry if they are put out of work and cannot pay. Others will have savings where interest rates have shrunk to near zero.

We're all in this mess together.


Sobering thoughts ..... can't wait to fix that!!
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#25

Regardless of what the future brings, the amount of debt that countries, companies and individuals are taking on will last a long time and unduly influence behavior. We have mortgaged the future for the now. Several subsequent generations will be impacted by this. Almost fits into a socialists dream. We may be creating a more risk adverse world with dumbed down expectations. I’m so glad I didn’t retire although I thought long and hard about it.

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#27

From a collection of professors and other thinkers , essentially expanding on Bobs ( RAP ) future behavior influence well likely see as a result of this global crisis : https://apple.news/A9-yIRjUIQeu5NbwfsOrElw
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Quote:From a collection of professors and other thinkers , essentially expanding on Bobs ( RAP ) future behavior influence well likely see as a result of this global crisis : https://apple.news/A9-yIRjUIQeu5NbwfsOrElw
Thanks Dan, I read through these and agree with the general trend of thought about the use of distance learning, health, and meetings. That doesn't mean we'll necessarily become a more fragmented society, but instead of our workmates also being our friends, we are more likely to develop stronger bonds with our neighbours and our neighborhood. I also wholeheartedly agree with the notion of genuine experts heading up government departments. As an educationalist of 30 years I have long lamented that the ministers of education around the world are frequently from a business background and not professors or teachers. I also think politicians would have to be more realistic if they spent most of their time in their constituencies, rather than only really trying to connect with people just prior to an election.

So, let's see how this all pans out over the next decade. Robert
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Quote:Regardless of what the future brings, the amount of debt that countries, companies and individuals are taking on will last a long time and unduly influence behavior. We have mortgaged the future for the now. Several subsequent generations will be impacted by this. Almost fits into a socialists dream. We may be creating a more risk adverse world with dumbed down expectations. Im so glad I didnt retire although I thought long and hard about it.

Rap (Bob) I agree with your long term view, but I've given up trying to understand national debt, it seems that "quantitative easing" just permits the printing of money if one doesn't have enough. What a great system!
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#30

Dan great article thank you. It certainly expanded my thoughts of what’s going on and what might go on. My most specific concern is that we become so beholden on govt to help us through this crisis that we submit to that mindset in the future. This country was founded and built on individualism. Already entitlements have made too many lazy with regard to their participation in life. This is a self fulfilling prophecy of defeatism and dependency. Once people expect others to fix their problems or take care of their financial needs their is little incentive to figure it out oneself. 

imagine the difficulties small employers will have in getting back employees who have gone on unemployment and dumbed down expectations when this crisis is over?

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Quote:Dan great article thank you. It certainly expanded my thoughts of what’s going on and what might go on. My most specific concern is that we become so beholden on govt to help us through this crisis that we submit to that mindset in the future. This country was founded and built on individualism. Already entitlements have made too many lazy with regard to their participation in life. This is a self fulfilling prophecy of defeatism and dependency. Once people expect others to fix their problems or take care of their financial needs their is little incentive to figure it out oneself. 

imagine the difficulties small employers will have in getting back employees who have gone on unemployment and dumbed down expectations when this crisis is over?


Bob I can't agree with you more about dumbing down. I was a uni inspector for a decade. The pressure on faculty to explain every challenge in its minuti so that students know exactly how a problem is to be solved, and hence how to get marks, is not preparing them for life. No boss explains problems like that else they have done all the work themselves. They hand out problems and expect initiative and novel approaches to create solutions. I'll get off my soapbox, I've been grumbling about this for years, but the pressure of rating tables and education as a billion dollar/pound industry means nobody is listening.
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#32

Robert, here are two pictures of the USS Dixie, AD-14 taken in the Philippines in 1945. This the model I started working on as part of my COVID 19 model building spree. All of my built models are still in storage.        

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#33

Excellent Chris, thank you. You must have the patience of a saint! I look forward to seeing USS Dixie take shape and wish you good luck!!


PS I originally posted a wine question for you here, but swapped it over to your Winemaking in Oregon thread. I look forward to your response. Cheers
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#34

New ways to survive..

       
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#35

In our state the governor has mandated that cocktail hour may now start at 4:00 PM instead of 5:00 PM. Of course the liquor stores are also closed but heh wine and beer is still available.

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#36

II have been informed by another member that this is a hoax message, but I do think some of it is accurate,

 

look at the infection rates for hot countries?

 

This was just sent to all NHS staff. Worth a read.


Virus Detection:


The simplest way to distinguish Coronavirus from a Common Cold is that the COVID-19 infection does not cause a cold nose or cough with cold, but it does create a dry and rough cough.

The virus is typically first installed in the throat causing inflammation and a feeling of dryness. This symptom can last between 3 and 4 days.

The virus typically then travels through the moisture present in the airways, goes down to the trachea and installs in the lungs, causing pneumonia that lasts about 5 or 6 days.

Pneumonia manifests with a high fever and difficulty breathing. The Common Cold is not accompanied, but there may be a choking sensation. In this case, the doctor should be called immediately.


Experts suggest doing this simple verification every morning: Breathe in deeply and hold your breath for 10 seconds. If this can be done without coughing, without difficulty, this shows that there is no fibrosis in the lungs, indicating the absence of infection. It is recommended to do this control every morning to help detect infection.


Prevention:

The virus hates heat and dies if it is exposed to temperatures greater than 80°F (27°C). Therefore hot drinks such as infusions, broths or simply hot water should be consumed abundantly during the day. These hot liquids kill the virus and are easy to ingest.

Avoid drinking ice water or drinks with ice cubes.


Ensure that your mouth and throat are always wet, never DRY. You should drink a sip of water at least every 15 minutes. WHY? Even when the virus enters water or other liquids through the mouth, it will get flushed through the oesophagus directly into the stomach where gastric acids destroy the virus. If there is not enough water, the virus can pass into the trachea and from there to the lungs, where it is very dangerous.


For those who can, sunbathe. The Sun's UV rays kill the virus and the vitamin D is good for you.

The Coronavirus has a large size (diameter of 400-500 nanometers) so face masks can stop it, no special face masks are needed in daily life.

If an infected person sneezes nearby, stay 10 feet (3.3 meters) away to allow the virus fall to the ground and prevent it from falling on you.

When the virus is on hard surfaces, it survives about 12 hours, therefore when hard surfaces such as doors, appliances, railings, etc. are touched, hands should be washed thoroughly and/or disinfected with alcoholic gel The virus can live nested in clothes and tissues between 6 and 12 hours. Common detergents can kill it. Things that cannot be washed should be exposed to the Sun and the virus will die.

The transmission of the virus usually occurs by direct infection, touching fabrics, tissues or materials on which the virus is present.

Washing your hands is essential.

The virus survives on our hands for only about 10 minutes. In that time many things can happen, rubbing the eyes, touching the nose or lips. This allows the virus to enter your throat. Therefore, for your good and the good of all, wash your hands very often and disinfect them.

You can gargle with disinfectant solutions (i.e. Listerine or Hydrogen Peroxide) that eliminate or minimize the amount of virus that can enter the throat. Doing so removes the virus before it goes down to the trachea and then to the lungs.

Disinfect things touched often: mobile phone, keyboard, mouse, car steering wheel, door handles, etc ...
 
 
there you go, please all stay safe and well, I have had my government letter can’t go out for 12 weeks, and I won’t, as I know it will kill me off, and I just could not bear to see the wife that happy
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#37

Quote:Of course the liquor stores are also closed but heh wine and beer is still available.


Huh ? In California , the second most restrictive state other than New York just recently , all liquor stores are open ..it’s considerd an essential business ( and this time I don’t mean that as in our perception of it being essential, it’s actyally legally exempt , and categorized as such ) . But are PA liquor stores all Sate-owned/ operated ? As in Ohio and few other states ? If yes, that I can see that being the case . Well, wine and beer will do temporarily I suppose ..
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#38

Thanks Waylander , good info !!

Also, many sources ( WHO, CDC, and various associations of physicians ) have indicated that among those infected, they discovered just now that a significant many of them had lost the sense of smell and taste before the onset other symptoms . So for whatever that may be worth .
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#39

Well Dan I leaped to the end of this theme expecting another funny post, disappointed Sad


Waylander thanks for the info., keep safe.
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#40

Quote:Well Dan I leaped to the end of this theme expecting another funny post, disappointed .


I think most of the funny stuff has been exhausted , but I’ll share this :

I heard a psychologist on TV say that in this time of Coronavirus , while staying at home , we should focus more on our inner peace, than worry about external influences . To achieve this , we should finish things we started, and then we all could achieve greater peace of mind in our lives. I looked through my house to find things I have started and hadn't finished, so I took it upon myself to complete those tasks ; I finished off a bottle of Cabernet, a bottle of Zinfandel , a bodle of teliqa, a butle of wum, tha mainder of me valiumun srciptuns, an a box a chocletz. Yu haf no idr how fogging fablus I feel rite now. Sned this to all who all need sum inner piss. An telum u luvum. And two hash yer wands, stafe day avrybobby!!!
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