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968 wind deflector
#21

[quote name='wiseman' post='51309' date='Apr 22 2008, 01:11 PM']It sure would be helpfull if somebody that owned one of these windscreen units posted a picture with the thing hooked up, down, up, sideways or however the thing mounts in there. I've read so many posts on this unit and maybe its just me, but I can't visualize what you guys are taliking about or how these straps secure, etc. Works with the boot or not the boot.........???? I'd feel better about the $400 spent if I could see it.[/quote]



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#22

[quote name='tloof' post='51307' date='Apr 22 2008, 09:23 AM']Brian,



How come you mounted the stock Porsche windscreen in front of the rollbar vs behind it like Flash did? Also, doesn't that limit the amount your seats can recline rearward? (this is critical for me since I am 6'-3" tall and need to be able to move the seat as far back as possible as well as recline the seat back a bit).



Since I am proposing to keep the horizontal screen independant of the vertical screen, mine won't experience any force from the horizontal member being transferred into the vertical member. By using the stronger Lexan strapped to the rollbar for the vertical member it should have no problem handling the wind force. The horizontal screen will pivot on tabs attached to the rear side of the roll bar such that it can pivot up to the vertical position when the top is raised or if I want to stow some larger baggage on top of the cubby deck (I have a special gear bag that holds all my camping gear that is about the same length as the cubby deck and also sits about level with the soft top when in the down position, so it would block any air flow downward between the seats when loaded in the vehicle...thus the reason why I prefer a horizontal screen that pivots up to the vertical position vs the way the stock Porsche unit works).



How does this design idea sound to you?[/quote]



It is in front because it is not OEM and it mounts right where the chassis brace sits.

Yes it limits rear seat position. I am 5'11" and I have to move frwd about 3/4"-1". Not a big deal.

You are just too tall for a 968 and the non oem unit.

The horizontal panel catches a lot of air. Be careful as to how well you mount it to the brace.

Will you mount both panels with straps that do not require drilling into the brace? I assume so or it will ruin the brace strength and may void racing spec rules...but I am not sure.



Sounds cool. Give us some pics and reports when you are done.

Brian
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#23

Brian,



I was planning to mount a clear Lexan vertical panel directly to the back side of the rollbar via velco straps thru slots in the Lexan sheet (the same basic way you originally attached your plexiglass panel). For the horizontal member I would either weld a tab on the back side of the rollbar an each side to provide a point for the horizontal screen to pivot on (so that it can pivot up to the vertical position when raising the soft top in place), or bolt on a clamp-on type bracket that wraps around the round tube of the rollbar that has an ear on it that provides a similar pivot point for the horizontal screen. The clamp-on bracket would obviously make for an easier retrofit on existing rollbars that are already installed in the vehicle! I envision the horizontal screen being held in the down position with some sort of a bungee cord type strap going down to a clip just below the front lower part of the cubby area, and held in the vertical position when required with the same two upper velcro straps that also hold the vertical screen to the rollbar. I will probably just modify an OEM Porsche windscreen by using the horizontal part of it for my pivoting horizontal member, and junk the vertical member for the clear Lexan one that I strap directly to the rollbar. Or another possibility (which may actually make more sense) would be to just strap the OEM Porsche vertical frame member directly to the roll bar via velcro straps, and then the horizontal member could simply pivot off the same mechanism where it is attached to the vertical member (this effectively just reverses the way the OEM unit works normally since the OEM unit mounts the horizontal screen as the fixed unit and the vertical section pivots on the horizontal sections framework...hmm, I think I will try this idea first!!).
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[quote name='Anchorman' post='51317' date='Apr 22 2008, 06:39 PM']I don't have such detailed photos at this time - but, the crucial information is that it works, with or without the boot, and requires no modifications to the car. Plus, there is no alternative. What more do you really need to know? <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />[/quote]







I guess that about sums it up.................
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#25

OK, I got mine the other day. Looks complicated , but no big deal. If you were standing on the drivers side of the car, and both screens folded down. you have 2 sets of arms to fool with. The set of arms that have the straps go toward the rear. Extend them fully toward the rear and insert into the upper opening of the latch mechanism of the rear seat pads. ( Pads have to be in the down position exposing the latches.) Hooks on the end of the straps attach to the thin metal arms that guide the rear seat pads. You are supplied with round covers with a hole in them to replace the access covers for the manual override on the power top. The other two arms go in those holes. You then tighten up the twist locks on those arms and it sets in there pretty firmly. Does work great. The top will go up and down with the thing in there, folded up or down. I found that getting the boot on was a bit of an issue. I pulled the two arms out of the side holes and pulled other arms out of the slot on the rear seat mechanism leaving the straps attached. That left enough room to snap the inside snaps of the boot and reach thru and match up the velcro. I then reinserted the rear arms back into the mechanism and reinserted the side bars and presto...........Done!. Took about 5-6 minutes.
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#26

Well done. See, it was easier to do it than it would have been for me to explain it. Enjoy much less buffeted driving!
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#27

I leave mine in all the time with the top up or down. No issues.
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#28

I went another direction. I like the wind and so will drive with the screen down most of the time anyway. I also prefer to have the back clear of stuff, including the cage.



So I got a guy to do an upholstery job. Under $300 and works when I need it (primarily when the Mrs is along for the ride), and stows in the trunk when I don't.



Not the greatest looking item but who's looking at my windscreen when the wife is in the right seat eh?



       
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#29

Different strokes...
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#30

Feedback on Sunset.



I have often heard that they are very good with service, now I can attest.



My wife and I decided that for our anniversary our shared gift this year would be a windscreen (I know, how cool is she?). With Authorization in hand I made the call to Sunset and placed my order, only to find that the windscreens were on backorder.



When Wiseman posted that he had received his, I placed a call to Nate, who informed me that yes, in fact, the windscreen was in and I was next on the list and he could ship it to me that day (Tuesday), I would receive it in 5 days. I told him my anniversary was on Friday...they shipped it 3 day and I received the windscreen on time.



Kudos to Sunset, great product, great service....



Regards,



Jay
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#31

What I found was that you can almost eliminate wind by rolliung up the side windows. Windows down leaves in enouph air to mess up the wifes hair, about halfway up is a pretty good compromise. I know there is about 60 of these things in Germany left. Now , when Flash gets me a chassis brace welded up and I convert this thing over to his bar...........I will have acheived Nervana!!!!Sunset is the best for sure..........Happy Annivesary.
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#32

Wise you make it sound easy. The side arms don't go in with the brace installed right? The clips on the end of the straps keep popping off the flap arms when I close the flaps. Any tips there?



OK I give. This thing does not go in with both the brace in the car and the top down. I can get it installed with the top up, but then the top binds is it tries to pass the screen (on the back edge). with the top down you can't get the screen far enough away from the flap pins as the brace is in the way.



Any help will be appreciated.
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#33

nope - you have to make new rear legs and eliminate the fronts and replace them with straps - if you pop up here tomorrow i can show you
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#34

Detail day right?
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#35

yup
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#36

Bob, Can you take a few shots and post? I need to see how you did that. I think a few others would benefit also.
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#37

Got it in Saturday. OK I cheated. I caught up with the chaps at Detail Day and was able to see how they did it. Here is my humble contribution to the cause.



I couple of comments on the installation.



1. The factory kit attachment concepts were designed and executed by Rube Goldberg's distant cousin, Franz Heime Porsche-Goldberg. Not exactly up to Porsche's typical bullet-proof and/or over-engineered standards.

2. Wonky as it is, it does work. Unfortunately it renders the seat flaps inoperable and requires partial removal to put the top up or down. So, if you use the seat flaps a lot this is not the deflector for you.

3. Every car is different. I've seen exactly 3 installations. One car with a subwoofer box on the flaps in the down position, one with a custom subwoofer box where the cubbies used to be, and one with the cubbies removed completely (mine) - all 3 had the chassis brace installed, which makes this a very tight fit. So, you have to mod the thing a bit differently to make it work in each car.



The key piece that you have to change are legs. The rear legs will likely be too short, and the front legs are simply in the way with the brace installed.



Rear Legs

These are meant to fit into a space above the flap hinge. With the chassis brace installed you simply cannot get the angle to make that work. So you have to mod the legs. Brian used brass tubing. I used a 1/4" threaded rod and a coupler.



1. First, I removed the vinyl bumper sleeve from the kit rear legs.

2. Next I tapped threads onto about 3/4" of the leg.



   

   



Then hacksawed the threaded rod to length, put the bumper sleeve back on, fussed with the length (cut it three times), and jammed it in there. I used the area just aft of the chassis brace post. Make sure that this is a very tight fit.



   

   



You can see that the extended leg on the US-driver's side is bent a bit outboard. I did that to get it on the little shelf. You can also see that I attached the elastic straps to the bracket that I was too lazy to remove from the cubby box (sometimes laziness is simply pre-destined brilliance). Obviously if you have the cubbies still in the car that won't be an option. The suggested attachment point to the flap hinge is just silly. When you close the flap the thing pops off.



Front Legs

Remove them. You need something to take up the space of the legs on the bolt like a grommet or a bushing. I had a bunch of plumbing washers so I drilled out the hole a bit and used a couple of those.

I got a velcro buckle strap from the local Ace Hardware store, which is designed for exactly this sort of application. Thread the strap in between the front leg mounting tabs and around the brace and pull tight like so.



   

   



Finally I put a few adhesive "feet" on the brace to keep the deflector from banging the brace - they fell off pretty quickly so I'll work something else out - maybe a few strips of splicing tape.



Here are the items that I got at the hardware store. The velcro straps were a perfect fit.



   



Took an hour. Kentucky almost pulled it out while I was doing this.
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