[RickP]

Sounds to me like he winds out third which would put him at 112 mph shifting to fourth. Another 4 sec at WOT would put him around 120 or so when he had his adventure.



Rick

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='Eric_K' post='37525' date='Jun 27 2007, 08:35 AM']Did anybody notice the yellow 968 roll by at about the 1:10 mark?[/quote]





Good spot, Eagle eye!



Driver (gatrioman ) made these comments yesterday.





bazza168 (1 day ago)

what gear were you on before the crashed!?





gatrioman (1 day ago)

4th gear at about 6000 rpm ...

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[Anchorman]

He certainly seemed to be wound up in 4th, and I don't detect any lifting right before the spin. There seems to be an easing of the throttle as the turn is being entered, but...maybe that rear weight bias simply was more than the rear tires could handle on this uphill right bender.



Any opinions of whether or not this could have been "saved"? Is this a case where the counterintuitive action of "stepping on it" might have made the difference?



Certainly great spotting of the yellow 968!

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[flash]

hmmmm - i don't know - he was nearly coasting off throttle for a full 5 seconds before the spin started - if he was at 6k when he let off, he would have been back down to about 3-3.5k at the time of the spin - how fast is that in 4th?



lol - i've now watched that danged thing so many times it is making my stomach turn - too many crashes myself

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[RickP]

[quote name='flash' post='37539' date='Jun 27 2007, 03:37 PM']hmmmm - i don't know - he was nearly coasting off throttle for a full 5 seconds before the spin started - if he was at 6k when he let off, he would have been back down to about 3-3.5k at the time of the spin[/quote]



I do not hear a 5 second lift. I hear an approx 1 sec lift, then he picks up the throttle to neutral, then lifts again right before he loses it. I think we are watching different videos <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/blink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='Anchorman' post='37535' date='Jun 27 2007, 12:18 PM']Any opinions of whether or not this could have been "saved"? Is this a case where the counterintuitive action of "stepping on it" might have made the difference?[/quote]



As mentioned earlier. In a RR staying on the gas makes a world of difference.



My experience – w/ a FF when understeering occurs slightly lift off throttle and let the weight and front wheels correct itself as the car slows from the drift. Making the back end step out on a FF is not easy! You would have to enter way too hot and a counter can quickly turn to oversteer in such circumstances.



FR- Back end steps out, you actually have choices. In my 68 I’ve both came off the throttle and allowed the side motion to grab traction again and slow the pace of the car as well as I’ve entered full drift by riding it pass 4k RPM and countering to hold the line. GOOD STUFF these 50/50 cars.



MR- ( had a MR2T ) Back and front are pretty light on these, but for the life of me I never was able to really break the back end free and get a full on drift, may have been my tires. But as I hear, the car responds well to throttle play while countering. And I’ve discovered the biggest myth of all while owning the MR2. That MR’s are prone to snap oversteer do to the center mass. Didn’t seem to mater how hard I yanked that little thing, it was like it was on rails.





RR- This one I have no experience in first hand, so this is a “as told by others” comment. That when the back end steps out on a RR, your only hope is that throttle. So braking points are critical with this setup. Coming off the gas will not cause a self correction do the tremendous difference in weight distribution. Braking… HA HA HA HA HA no need for me to explain that one. But when you give it gas and counter steer it will hold the line. And in the hands of a skilled driver it’s a thing of beauty. Smoking tires and all!



Yes, it’s a slow work day

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[flash]

roflmao - true enough - i'm stuck here waiting for a service guy to sort out a long time problem



i heard the throttle change from 27 to 32 seconds into the vid (5 second interval) - pretty noticeable change



anyway - boy bent the toy - very ugly - brings back way too many memories of tail happy unbalanced cars

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[rhudeboye]

[quote name='flash' post='37550' date='Jun 27 2007, 02:15 PM']brings back way too many memories of tail happy unbalanced cars[/quote]



Tail happy? Were you once the proud owner of a 911?

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[flash]

lol - not a chance - hate those cars with a passion



but, i have had quite a few cars with a lot of power up front and not much weight in the rear

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[968gene]

my guess is that when he hit the rumple strips he damaged a tire/rim, that started the process...as for the camera, I think it was attached to the helmet...my $0.02

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[Renalicious]

Heh, what's the indication that it ISN'T a helmet cam? I naturally assumed by how it was moving around and what it was seeing that it was attached to his head <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />

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[rhudeboye]

The cam mounting not really an issue. Gotta disagree that clipping the strip caused the back end to snap out like that as well. He has since posted his previous laps as well and he did that same corner at about the same speed taking what appears to be the same line.



I gotta stick with lifting off the throttle as the cause.

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[333pg333]

He's pulled the vid. Must have realized that the insurance companies are checking out places like YouTube now. Beware of that. We find some guys taping up their number plates when doing track days for this reason.

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[968gene]

[quote name='rhudeboye' post='37710' date='Jul 1 2007, 11:57 PM']The cam mounting not really an issue. Gotta disagree that clipping the strip caused the back end to snap out[/quote]



My point was this...if hitting the rumple strip caused damage to the tire or the rim there would be a delay before the tire went down and caused the lose of control. The speculation here is that the car was running a low profile street tire that could not live up to the repeated beating on the curbing.

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[flash]

i can believe that - i narrowly escaped a blowout on the funrun in newtown - i hit a pothole and dented a rim - the 30 series tire with as much camber as i am running did not like the pothole - when i got home and looked at it, i could see the bead - very close to disaster

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[333pg333]

If he was running street tyres you would hear them screeching I believe and if he's on R-specs they have the stiffest sidewalls of any tyres and could easily stand up to the way he was driving so I still don't really have an explanation. Did anyone actually ask him before the clip was pulled?

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