[sksail]

Hi
I was wondering if anyone had any suggestions for seats.
I am currently using my 95 cab on weekends when the weather is nice, I I hope to use it for a few DE and autocross events each year.
I have just installed Flash's Chassis brace (very easy to instal and looks great!) Now I need to install harnesses to be legal for DE. That means I need a new seat as I have just the stock seats.
I would appreciate any suggestions. was thinking about the Recaro Speed seat. but I have no clue if this is any good or not.
thanks
Steve

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[BerndCF]

Recaro Pole Position. This is the grandchild of the CS seat.

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[flash]

how many DEs? do you want to leave the seat in?

while not legal for racing, i have not seen any issues with the Recaro Sportline in passing the stewards for a DE - i have them in my car, and love them (as does everybody who has sat in them so far) - recline, fore/aft, inflatable lumbar, adjustable thigh - pricey though - for me, they have been the perfect compromise seat

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[sksail]

I hope to do 3-4 DE's a year.
Is leaving the seat in an option?,
I'll look at the sport, did you have the sport topline?

Thanks Flash

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[Anchorman]

What kind of DE events are you planning to do that require harnesses? That's a DE requirement I've not heard of.

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[rhudeboye]

I got a IM from a guy who knows I'm looking for a set of Cobra seats. His ad is here His seats wont work for my needs, I'm not looking to track the car and reclining is a must however it seems a good option for you at a good price.

I'm looking for the Cobra Misano S in linen. Simply looks perfect! And if you think the Recaro's are expensive...

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[sksail]

<!--quoteo(post=67198:date=Feb 16 2009, 08:18 PM:name=Anchorman)-->QUOTE (Anchorman @ Feb 16 2009, 08:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->What kind of DE events are you planning to do that require harnesses? That's a DE requirement I've not heard of.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


hey Anchorman
After reading the rules from my PCA group (NER),I am still unclear if I need a harness, it is confusing. I think because I have a cab, I have to have a harness. let me know what you think.

Thanks
Steve

here are some of the regulations:


Roll Bar
All Cabriolets and open cars must have a roll bar or cage installed. Targa, 914, Boxster, and 996/997 Cab are all permitted, as is, at NER events.

All tops must be up/on or car must have five- or six-point harnesses, proper race seats (see "Harnesses"), arm restraints, and driver must pass "broomstick" rule.

Seat Belts
Standard Original Equipment three point belts used with any type seat, includng "racing" or "sport seats", are acceptable. Two-point lap-only belts are not acceptable with any seat. Webbing must not be frayed, show signs of impact (i.e. caught in a door) or signs of being stretched or of significant discoloration. '65-'68 900 series cars require relocation of the lap belt mounting points rearward.

Harnesses
All five- and six- point harnesses must be used with "racing seats" equipped by the manufacturer with belt routing holes for the shoulder, lap and submarine straps. No add-on or "homemade" modifications of any type to these seats will be accepted. Sport seats without lap belt holes, but with correct manufacturers built in sub-belt and shoulder belt holes will be accepted providing the seat design allows the lap belts to be low and tight around the waist. Harnesses should be anchored to factory-mounting points or roll cage structure, wherever possible. Shoulder harnesses must route over a harness bar or roll cage/bar. Connecting directly to a "harness truss" is acceptable. Shoulder harnesses must not be angled downward more than 45? from the chassis' plane as they leave the shoulder. All belts must be securely mounted to the vehicle. Eye bolts are suggested for harness waist mounting points so that the mounting point has a degree of freedom as to not place an uneven load between the belt webbing and belt clip. Waist belts must be routed in such a way that the belt adjustor does not get caught in the seat causing it to "dump" when placed under heavy loading. "US Grade 5 or Metric 8.8" or better hardware must be used.

Harness must be replaced after ten (10) years. It is the recommendation of the track committee that harness users follow the replacement interval of the harnesses manufacturer if it is less than ten years.

Full link to the web page:
http://www.porschenet.com/JCMS/content/v...#harnesses

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[mike]

<!--quoteo(post=67207:date=Feb 16 2009, 10:42 PM:name=sksail)-->QUOTE (sksail @ Feb 16 2009, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->All tops must be up/on or car must have five- or six-point harnesses, proper race seats (see "Harnesses"), arm restraints, and driver must pass "broomstick" rule.

Seat Belts
Standard Original Equipment three point belts used with any type seat, includng "racing" or "sport seats", are acceptable.

Harnesses
All five- and six- point harnesses must be used with "racing seats" equipped by the manufacturer with belt routing holes for the shoulder, lap and submarine straps.<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->

The way I read it is:
You must use harnesses only if you drive with top down. With top up, standard OE belts may be used with any type of seat. If you use harnesses, you must have a proper racing seat.

Good Luck!

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[flash]

that's how i read it too

it has always bugged me about the requirements some DE groups have about the top having to be up - that thing is DANGEROUS, and should be run in the down position - flailing arms are far less dangerous than impalement from a bow that will most certainly break on rollover - i know they are trying to keep the driver in the car in the event that the seat belts break loose or something, but since doing so might actually kill or seriously injure someone, isn't that a bit silly?

i opted for the safer method of installing seats and harnesses - the only thing left is arm restraint straps

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[Anchorman]

That's been my understanding as well. The group that I've done DEs with is a bit more flexible - the theme is "You are responsible for your safety". So, I have standard seats, standard belts (on which I've installed a "lock", so the belt doesn't loosen during a track session), and the Flash chassis stiffener (which passes the "roll bar" requirement - I haven't tried to see if I pass the "broomstick", but I'll do that soon). I've driven on the track with top up, and with top down. I did have one instructor that wouldn't ride with the top down, but that was a personal, rather than a rules, thing.

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