[ds968]

Ok, no luck in my search. So if any of you find an owner of a 968 which matches the description below and is willing to sell it for a reasonable price, slightly above market value , I'm sending a finder's fee of $ 500 if & when I buy the car .

please note : not interested at all in substitutes of any kind; no alternative colors, no minor deviations from what I'm listing here ..

late 1994 or 95 only
pure stock, no modifications ( only after market stereo ok )
manual
coupe
M030
17 OE 993 wheels
U.S. car
less than 50k mi preferred, but up to 75k ok
metallic midnight blue exterior
classic grey or cashmere/black offset interior
993 seats ( no sport seats )
mint condition ext/int/engine
original paint
excellent mechanical condition
never tracked
no accidents
preferably Ca, Az, Tx, Nv car - ( & never driven in winter )
all maintenance records

come on, there MUST be one out there for sale ! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/huh.gif[/img] [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[Cloud9...68]

Whew! Those are some mighty stringent criteria. Best of luck - all it takes is one.

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

i know, right ?! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img] if only i wasn't so picky about the color.. but i want what i want, so no flexibility whatsoever on the exterior or interior color scheme.

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[porsche]

Dan,

As an avid collector of limited production cars, "availability" is the real factor that dictates what you can buy (obviously).

Believe me, I can't count the times I've fantasized about walking into the local Porsche Dealership and ordering up "my" perfect 1998 C2S!!!!!!!

Oh yes, the option list would be very, very long.

But, but, but..... time travel has somehow eluded me, and thus, I always end up buying someone else's interpretation of the "perfect" Porsche.

So, IMHO, the "real" criteria in judging what you buy is surmised in a single word: "condition"

Porsche built precious few M030 968 Coupes.

Now only roughly half of those "precious few" M030s came State side.

Of that "half," most were: heavily modified, abused, wrecked, etc.

With the remaining "few," that are "mint" (and worthy of your consideration of purchase, ownership and enjoyment), we're faced with less than 25 cars (more likely a dozen), to pick from.

And you're thinking that just as it's a "buyer's market," and as have the ability to buy: "hey, I can bend the reality of time, space, and rules of the universe," to have the marketplace magically "re-gurgitate" the M030 968 of "my dreams" to your exact specification of color, options and condition.

I deeply admire your optimism!!!!!!!!!

I've had no less than 4 M030 968s. All "minters" with no accident damage, paintwork and all had less than 30,000 miles on the odometer (one had 2,738 miles).

That said, not one of those 968s was exactly the way I would have ordered it from the Porsche Factory (however, the Speed Yellow 968 was close!!!).

But, they were all beautiful, enjoyable and through-and-through Porsche-esque.

So, as a "rule," I buy on "condition."

That means, I don't always get "exactly" what I want. But, many things can be changed!!!!

So, as of this moment, I'm changing the interior of my current Porsche (to better match how I would of ordered it!!!!).

Not that there was anything wrong with the original interior...... it's just that I found the exact Porsche I wanted, save the interior....

oh wait, that, and the seat choice, door cards, stereo, wheels, tires, brakes.... well you get the idea.... [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

All that said, I wish you the best for success in your "exacting" mission.

my 2 cents (and then some),
Porsche

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[flash]

lol - yeah, but we all know that you are as nuts as i am

dan is looking for a mothball car, not a project - he has the one he wants to drive and modify - he is looking for one to tuck away

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[Cloud9...68]

I'm not so much concerned that the color combination will be difficult to find; to me, the requirements of never having been driven in winter, never tracked, and no mods will be the tough ones. Hard to prove as well. But again, there's got to be at least one car out there that meets Dan's criteria, so hopefully it's only a matter of time.

By the way, why the stipulation of a late '94 or '95? Is it just the connecting rods (which wouldn't be much of a problem on a car that's been babied), or something else? I'm afraid the answer may depress this owner of a '92, though...

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[gryphon]

I'm pretty sure that you can find that exact car stored in a barn in Indiana behind Elvis Presley's Harley.

Just teasing

Tom

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[jeff968]

"late 1994 or 95 only
pure stock, no modifications ( only after market stereo ok )
manual
coupe
M030
17 OE 993 wheels
U.S. car
less than 50k mi preferred, but up to 75k ok
metallic midnight blue exterior
classic grey or cashmere/black offset interior
993 seats ( no sport seats )
mint condition ext/int/engine
original paint
excellent mechanical condition
never tracked
no accidents
preferably Ca, Az, Tx, Nv car - ( & never driven in winter )
all maintenance records"

Well, I have 2 F8 midnight blue 968 M030s in the coupe registry so far, one 95 has classic gray interior (but it has sport seats so that one fails), the other 94 has cashmere/black. A couple of things to consider, if you have to have the M030 car the 17"s wheels are standard with the package. Also, 220/Limited slip is not and both of the M030 midnight blue cars do NOT have LSD!!! [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[94SilverCab]

So, since Dan did not specify LSD there is a single example that is exactly what he is looking for, if it has not been, modified, wrecked or driven in the snow. I say go for it Dan, it's good to dream!

I'm building (or rather Flash and Pete) are building me the car of my dreams one part at a time. It will never hold the value to someone else than it does to me.

Jay

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[Fox944]

had i kept my car stock....it almost matchs what you are looking for. (no Mo30), but it does have an LSD.

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[biotechee]

Well, the two that Jeff knows of would be good starters. I wouldn't discount the one with sports seats. If Dan wishes to mothball it, the one with sports seats is worth more, all else being equal.

Good luck Dan, I hope you find your grail!

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

Yes, it's to mothball it, until my current 968 dies of natural causes, hopefully at a very advanced age ( mileage )
and that will also it will open the door for further modifying "Iris" .. dammit, Flash reads my mind all too well.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img]

Since I'm not interested in it as an investment, even though sport seats are worth more on the market, that's not a consideration ..
I find them way too uncomfortable for long highway trips which amount to about 2/3 of my driving with the 968
( then again, if that's the only difference vs what I'm seeking, I suppose I can always exchange them with someone for the regular 993 seats, assuming those are in near-perfect condition, and same color.. but that would start yet another long quest [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] )

I don't care whether or not it has an LSD, that's why I did not add it to the list ( sure it would be nice to have it, but not essential )

I realized from the get-go this search carries a very, very low chance of success, but I have not yet given up all hope, it's just diminishing day by day, knowing how few of them must be out there, and even fewer where the owner might sell..

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[sbdrivingdotcom]

Dan:

I appreciate your desires and can relate. The only, and I mean ONLY, M030 968 that I ever truly wanted was Porsche's speed yellow 3,000 mile example. It was nearly perfect.

Not to beat a dead horse here but, if you did find most of what you want, I would snatch it right away. A lot can be changed, like seats, wheels, etc. I agree with Porsche, shop on condition and mileage but I also understand you want midnight blue. When a low mileage midnight blue comes available, sport seats or not, I would snap it up quickly.

In the meantime, if that speed yellow M030 comes on the market again, I'll be interested!

Oh and here is my dream 968:

'92-'95
Maritime Blue or Speed Yellow or Amazon Green
Black Full Leather Interior
M030
LSD
Sport Seats
Moonroof Delete
Painted Rear Spoiler
Full Power Seats Left and Right
Less than 30k miles

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[94SilverCab]

Just a thought. Since this car is for when your original dies a natural death.

What would a full ground up restoration cost? Highest quality OEM parts, Mechanical and Aesthetic perfection?

I would think that $30k-$40k would be better spent than storage cost, insurance, etc. Where are you going to store this Unicorn (Where will it be when California slides into the Pacific)?

Jay

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[biotechee]

Dan,

My previous coupe had a classic grey interior with the original 993-patterned seats. I would have traded them plus one of my kidneys and one of my lungs to get a set of classic grey sport seats.

DO NOT let the fact that your grail may have sport seats hold you back. You would be able to get a set of standard seats in classic grey easily (generally) and you would probably end up making money by selling the sports. Classic grey sports seats are extremely rare.

And since you are mothballing it, you would have plenty of time to get a nice set of regular seats.

Heck, I'd be interested in the classic grey sport seats and would want to dye them black.

And chances are, even with 30K or less mileage, the seats will be in need of some level of reconditioning regardless. A great opportunity to get the seats you want...

I think you should (and I know you don't want to) prioritize your list of needs for the car, with seats being at or near the bottom. If I were to find a car that fit 8 or 9 out of my list of 10 things, with the 1 or 2 items missing or not up to snuff at the bottom of my list, I'd be all over it. And that's exactly what I did. My cab was the color combo I wanted, the year (94-95, due to seats) I wanted with suitably low mileage (under 50K) and in very good condition (relative to other cars available). But it is an extremely low-optioned car. I would have really liked 17" oem wheels (originally sold with 16", but PO put aftermarket 17's on it), sport seats, LSD, heated seats, headlight washers, and the list goes on. It is alson not concours, but I wasn't looking for a garage queen - I wanted a driver. Given what is out there, my cab satisfied the majority of my criteria and I knew trying to find the 10 out of 10 was basically impossible. And, given some time... and a lottery win... it will be exactly what I want.

Just my $0.02.

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

All good points. And with time passing by I probably will find myself willing to compromise a bit here and a bit there, hell, I may end up making Ron ( midblue ) an offer he can't refuse for his non-M030 100k mile+ coupe.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Oh yeah, a speed yellow M030 968 coupe - I would also jump on that right away, but I'm guessing the asking price for something that unique would be way out of whack and then you start thinking the money may be better spent elsewhere.. mid blue is a common color, though looking at Jeff's data it all depends on what the particulars are..

I think ground-up full restoration of a M030 , or for that matter any given 968, with new OE parts and adding labor is probably closer to $ 100 k, not $30 or $40k.. not to mention that no after market paint job will ever be as good as the factoy one, nor will any interior restoration be as good either.. regardless of how much you spend.
I have my current 968 insured for a $ 35,000 agreed value basis so in the event of a total loss I can buy any other half way decent 968 and spend the additional money on transforming that to my liking.. not sure even that will be sufficient ( I asked for a $ 50k value, but the underwriters did not want to go beyond $ 35 k for a 968 )
Storage would not be much of an issue - both 968s in the garage, the other three cars in the driveway - though that might impact the house's curb appeal somewhat and not in a good way [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] Insurance is cheap, no worries there.

Jay, in the event of a major quake..the big one.. my house will become oceanfront property and with what will likely be a value of $ 10 mil + , I'll finally be able to get the DB9 and the R8, and mothball the 968 for those days when I want the car I drive to turn heads [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

All good points. And with time passing by I probably will find myself willing to compromise a bit here and a bit there, hell, I may end up making Ron ( midblue ) an offer he can't refuse for his non-M030 100k mile+ coupe.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Oh yeah, a speed yellow M030 968 coupe - I would also jump on that right away, but I'm guessing the asking price for something that unique would be way out of whack and then you start thinking the money may be better spent elsewhere.. mid blue is a common color, though looking at Jeff's data it all depends on what the particulars are..

I think ground-up full restoration of a M030 , or for that matter any given 968, with new OE parts and adding labor is probably closer to $ 100 k, not $30 or $40k.. not to mention that no after market paint job will ever be as good as the factoy one, nor will any interior restoration be as good either.. regardless of how much you spend.
I have my current 968 insured for a $ 35,000 agreed value basis so in the event of a total loss I can buy any other half way decent 968 and spend the additional money on transforming that to my liking.. not sure even that will be sufficient ( I asked for a $ 50k value, but the underwriters did not want to go beyond $ 35 k for a 968 )
Storage would not be much of an issue - both 968s in the garage, the other three cars in the driveway - though that might impact the house's curb appeal somewhat and not in a good way [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] Insurance is cheap, no worries there.

Jay, in the event of a major quake..the big one.. my house will become oceanfront property and with what will likely be a value of $ 10 mil + , I'll finally be able to get the DB9 and the R8, and mothball the 968 for those days when I want the car I drive to turn heads [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

All good points. And with time passing by I probably will find myself willing to compromise a bit here and a bit there, hell, I may end up making Ron ( midblue ) an offer he can't refuse for his non-M030 100k mile+ coupe.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Oh yeah, a speed yellow M030 968 coupe - I would also jump on that right away, but I'm guessing the asking price for something that unique would be way out of whack and then you start thinking the money may be better spent elsewhere.. mid blue is a common color, though looking at Jeff's data it all depends on what the particulars are..

I think ground-up full restoration of a M030 , or for that matter any given 968, with new OE parts and adding labor is probably closer to $ 100 k, not $30 or $40k.. not to mention that no after market paint job will ever be as good as the factoy one, nor will any interior restoration be as good either.. regardless of how much you spend.
I have my current 968 insured for a $ 35,000 agreed value basis so in the event of a total loss I can buy any other half way decent 968 and spend the additional money on transforming that to my liking.. not sure even that will be sufficient ( I asked for a $ 50k value, but the underwriters did not want to go beyond $ 35 k for a 968 )
Storage would not be much of an issue - both 968s in the garage, the other three cars in the driveway - though that might impact the house's curb appeal somewhat and not in a good way [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] Insurance is cheap, no worries there.

Jay, in the event of a major quake..the big one.. my house will become oceanfront property and with what will likely be a value of $ 10 mil + , I'll finally be able to get the DB9 and the R8, and mothball the 968 for those days when I want the car I drive to turn heads [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[ds968]

All good points. And with time passing by I probably will find myself willing to compromise a bit here and a bit there, hell, I may end up making Ron ( midblue ) an offer he can't refuse for his non-M030 100k mile+ coupe.. [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/rolleyes.gif[/img]

Oh yeah, a speed yellow M030 968 coupe - I would also jump on that right away, but I'm guessing the asking price for something that unique would be way out of whack and then you start thinking the money may be better spent elsewhere.. mid blue is a common color, though looking at Jeff's data it all depends on what the particulars are..

I think ground-up full restoration of a M030 , or for that matter any given 968, with new OE parts and adding labor is probably closer to $ 100 k, not $30 or $40k.. not to mention that no after market paint job will ever be as good as the factoy one, nor will any interior restoration be as good either.. regardless of how much you spend.
I have my current 968 insured for a $ 35,000 agreed value basis so in the event of a total loss I can buy any other half way decent 968 and spend the additional money on transforming that to my liking.. not sure even that will be sufficient ( I asked for a $ 50k value, but the underwriters did not want to go beyond $ 35 k for a 968 )
Storage would not be much of an issue - both 968s in the garage, the other three cars in the driveway - though that might impact the house's curb appeal somewhat and not in a good way [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/dry.gif[/img] Insurance is cheap, no worries there.

Jay, in the event of a major quake..the big one.. my house will become oceanfront property and with what will likely be a value of $ 10 mil + , I'll finally be able to get the DB9 and the R8, and mothball the 968 for those days when I want the car I drive to turn heads [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/tongue.gif[/img]

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.

[Anchorman]

It would seem that, while searching for the Unicorn, you might brush up on your posting skills.

It would seem that, while searching for the Unicorn, you might brush up on your posting skills.

It would seem that, while searching for the Unicorn, you might brush up on your posting skills.

It would seem that, while searching for the Unicorn, you might brush up on your posting skills.

Partial Post: Please Login or Register to read the full post.