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Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-12-2011
Today I went to Longpond(Pocono) and did a performance driving clinic with Bertil Roos. Man this was way cool. For all you guys that have done this or the Porsche DE deals remember I am relatively new to this. I certainly have a newfound respect for racing drivers. Beautiful day at the track, low 90's and sunny. Car ran well although I was constantly passed by Boxsters. Probably my driving! Regardless just a lot of fun and only 9 guys participated so not crowded.
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-12-2011
Warning! Track driving is highly addictive! Glad you enjoyed it.
And don't feel bad about getting passed by Boxsters and the like. My first half dozen times or so at the track, I was passed by Boxsters, Lotuses, Corvettes, BMWs of all stripes, Nissan Z's, Mini Coopers, VW Golfs (I'm not making this up), and that pesky kid on her ten-speed... But after awhile (a looooong while, in my case), you get the hang of it, if you enjoy it enough to keep at it.
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-12-2011
Yes I understand the addictive aspect. Strange for a fellow like me eh? Not to make excuses but I just didnt seem to have the get up and go.
Performance driving clinic - kwikt - 07-12-2011
After a while you just may acquire a tire fetish.
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-12-2011
Everybody's experience is different. There are several who have said that on their first day out, they were leaving 911's and Corvettes in their dust with their 968's, prompting people to ask them if they have a V8 or a turbo (or both?!) under the hood. Me? For several sessions, I was by far the slowest car out there. Cars were passing me in parades of five at a time. I was absolutely horrendously slow, even though to me, I felt like I was driving like a maniac. After that first humbling session, I was so thrilled to pass a Suburban carrying a family of about 8 on the freeway onramp that I was practically giddy. And even after getting several sessions under my belt, I was finding that, among other things, I was spinning out at astonishingly slow speeds.
But as I said, I just stuck with, and ended up enrolling in a local driving academy, which allowed me to get to the track at least once a week. Slowly, things started to click, to the point where I became one of the faster drivers out there, where suddenly I was starting to pass things like Corvettes and supercharged Nissan Z's. So, as long as yo enjoy the driving experience, try to get out there as often as your budget will allow, and it's true what they say - the speed will come.
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-13-2011
That sounds like what I experienced. Hard to believe all those novices drove better and faster than this novice! lol I was able to see improvement which was confirmed by the instructor on lines butttt... Had a ball that's all that matters. Look forward to doing this again. What's the consensus on tires- type?
Performance driving clinic - pure&simple - 07-13-2011
Top-of-the-line summer street tires will be fine until you get into the intermediate groups. Then you'll begin to want R-comps which are good for about 2 seconds per minute deducted from your lap times and handle heat better. Most clubs don't let you run R-comps until you are in intermediate group anyway. If you have all-season tires, they are actually not that far behind high-perf summer street tires...
Do you have M030 brakes? If not, you'll want to improve your brakes (race pads, high-temp fluid, and ducts, if not bigger calipers) long before running R-comps.
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-13-2011
Agreed. Leave the car alone for awhile. At first, the car's capability far exceeds most drivers', but after awhile, you begin to bridge the gap, and at that point, it's time to start upgrading things, starting with the suspension. My brakes were upgraded by the previous owner to 944 Turbo S calipers (which make the stock 968's look like play toys) and 13" cross-drilled rotors, so to this day, I've never felt the need for more brake.
Performance driving clinic - kwikt - 07-13-2011
Brakes <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/blink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> what's that <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/wink.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-13-2011
I'm with you there!
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-13-2011
No mo30 brakes , stock. We ran the north course at Pocono so lot of braking. I hav e thought about chassis and suspension changes but Flash told me the car was pretty tight. Course we were not on on track just country roads. Pure and simple, how do your suggestions run on normal driving?
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-13-2011
By the way $78 for 9 gal of 100 octane fuel. Couldn't resist!
Performance driving clinic - AJG - 07-19-2011
[quote name='Rap' timestamp='1310517349' post='112487']
Yes I understand the addictive aspect. Strange for a fellow like me eh? Not to make excuses but I just didnt seem to have the get up and go.
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just drive within yourself, you will catch up with them as time goes on.
Andy
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-19-2011
Thanks for the advice Andy, I will call soon. What's the time dif si I am not rude?
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-19-2011
Yes, not to belittle the skills and accomplishments of the racers on this board (and everywhere else), but driving a car around a track fast isn't like golf or tennis - you really don't need a whole lot of god-given talent. You primarily have to 1) Really enjoy it, 2) Put in the seat time, 3) Get good advice from good instructors, and follow it, and 4) Be prepared to spend a little cash. Believe me, if I can go from where I started to where I left off when I decided my car needed some serious upgrades, anybody can get reasonably good at this stuff. I mean, I was so slow, a casual observer must have thought I had the parking brake set to the max, or was running on about two cylinders, or both!
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-19-2011
Interesting, the instructor told me two types came to this type training. Those that wanted to drive fast and those that wanted to learn how to drive. He Id'ed me in the latter. So I continue to learn. 2 day course this week.
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-19-2011
That's probably an accurate assessment. It's great that you're going out again so soon, but be patient. It took me about fifteen track sessions before things finally started to click.
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-19-2011
This one is a precision driving clinic so somewhat different.
Performance driving clinic - Cloud9...68 - 07-20-2011
What exactly is it, and how does it differ from a DE event?
Performance driving clinic - Rap - 07-20-2011
It is a Preision driving 2 day clinic as opposed to a performance 1 day clinis. It is run by Bertil Roos at Pocono. Teaches driving technique, sliding and I will see what else. Supposed to be in the upper 90's, should be fun!