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Extra place in doors for oval speaker - SILVY968 - 10-22-2006
Just wondering if anyone else has not only the opening in the metal inner door, but also the wires.
Are the wires wired to the amp? Is it a second mid/lo speaker? Where do they lead?
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Darryl - 10-22-2006
What option code do you have for your stereo? I have the 10 speaker setup in my cab and after doing the upgrade and having both doors completely apart, I found no "extra" wires. I'm guessing they would be for conenction of the factory 3" midrange with this option and probably would lead to the rear of the speaker enclosure under the armrest. Let me know what color(s) they are and I'll look for you.
- Darryl
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - SILVY968 - 10-24-2006
Darryl,
Door is all back together, but I think that they were green and grey.
The oval metal cut out in the door is way bigger that 3".
My build sheet just shows am/fm radio cassette player n/c.
It also says 6 speakers!
Any clues?
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - TonyBray - 10-24-2006
[quote name='SILVY968' date='Oct 23 2006, 11:10 PM']My build sheet just shows am/fm radio cassette player n/c.
It also says 6 speakers!
Any clues?
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My Cab only has 6 speakers. I have the tweeters at the top of the door panel and 5-1/4" under the armrest and the 4x6's in the rear. The speaker port you are referring to is in the same location as 944 speakers, right? Almost right below the window switches? If so, that's 6+2=8. Where are the other 2 speakers in the 10 speaker setup?
--Tony
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - BMWRider - 10-24-2006
[quote name='TonyBray' date='Oct 24 2006, 08:28 AM']Where are the other 2 speakers in the 10 speaker setup?
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I have wondered about this as well. Inquiring minds want to know.
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 10-24-2006
there is a 2 way in the rear on the 10 speaker setup - a "deep range" speaker and a "wide band" speaker - i've never seen it, but that is what the diagram says
the front is the 3-way setup
that makes 10
but, i think it is only in hardtops - no place to stick that rear stuff in a cab
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Darryl - 10-24-2006
I only count 8 too, unless they're counting the woofer and tweeter as separates in the rear. The cabs indeed have 8 physical driver locations.
The wiring diagram shows a set of wires in each door (connection points 304, 305, 307 and 308) that are paralleled with the wiring that goes to the speakers. There is a note on the diagram indicating "not used". Passenger side should be a brown/black pair and the driver's side is a brown/white pr. If you only have a 6 speaker setup, my guess would be that the extra wires are for the 3"midrange and crossover connection(s). Silvy, you may have to pull the speaker and see if the "spare wires" are the same color as connected to your driver or use a tone generator and see if the speaker emits the tone. I'd be careful about connecting something there as it may end up putting it in parallel with the other drivers and damage your amp/head unit due to a low impedance.
Tony, I think you're right, that the cutout we're addressing is the same spot as the 4x6 in the 944, which is under our 968 tweeter location.
I've attached a pic of my driver's door...sorry for the small text.
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 10-24-2006
i believe they are indeed counting the rears as separates, if you have the 10 speaker option, as the rears in the hardtop are an entirely different size from the cab anyway, and are likely truly separates
p.s. - the diagram shows it for the hardtop only - it is referred to on the diagram as the "WL Sound Package"
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Kim - 10-24-2006
Here is the 10 speaker set-up:
2 - full range in doors under window switches (1 per side)
2 - tweeter above window switches (1 per side)
4 - a mid range diver and bass driver in each door panel (2 per side)
2 - a full range speaker in each rear panel (1 per side)
Total equals 10.
The 8 speaker setup does not include the round one under the window switches but does include the other 8. The 6 speaker set is two tweeters above window switches, 2 in door panel and two in back panel.
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 10-24-2006
that's very odd - i can't find that anywhere in the wiring diagrams - the wiring diagram is pretty clear (or so i thought)
where the heck does the "bass driver" go in the door panel? is that the one under the window switches? awfully small for a bass driver
i've seen 8 speaker setups in 2 versions - one using a mid in the aforementioned location, AND one using a mid down in the grilled area
very odd and confusing
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Darryl - 10-24-2006
yes, very odd...if you have the 3 way component setup in the doors (woofer and mid under the armrest and tweeter up high), why in the world would they add ANOTHER driver in that front 944 location? The only thing I can think is they used the same wiring for all the cars and only connected the components based on option code. I'm off to check the 944 wiring diagrams as I need to anyway to install the head unit soon.
- Darryl
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 10-24-2006
i just talked to somebody who says they have the 10 speaker setup in a cab, and the rears are actually in boxes and are woofer and tweeter on each side, and then up front are the mids under the switches, as well as the standard woofer/tweeter setup
i looked it up in the 94 diagrams again, and lo and behold - 2 10 speaker setups - one for hardtops and one for cabs - i missed the one for cabs before - however, both show a 4 speaker rear setup, and a 6 speaker front
kim - have you taken apart a door to see 4 speakers there? got any pics?
this is very puzzling
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Kim - 10-28-2006
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Darryl - 10-28-2006
On the otion code list, 493 says "2 speakers on back shelf" - could this be the missing link? Kinda strange that the factory would do something like this. Would be the only thing that would make sense on how to get 10 speakers in a cab...
- Darryl
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 10-29-2006
thanks kim
daryll - no - there is a 10 speaker option for cabs - travis called me and he has it in his - the rears are boxed in the cab - maybe we can coax him to share a pic
i think the "back shelf" option may be for the club sport or turbo - one of those had a shelf back there where the rear seats are
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Mark - 02-27-2007
[quote name='flash' post='27397' date='Oct 29 2006, 10:17 AM']daryll - no - there is a 10 speaker option for cabs - travis called me and he has it in his - the rears are boxed in the cab - maybe we can coax him to share a pic[/quote]
Well my cab has the 490 option and I decided it was time to get my behind in gear and get the stereo taken care of. I decided to open up everything to see what I had and what I could put in there as replacements. The rear speaker caught me by surprise as the other cab did not have these odd boxes. It did explain the highs I was hearing from there.
Here is a pic
What the hell do I put in there as a replacement??
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - sasilverbullet - 02-27-2007
Porsche is kinda infamous for having little oddities like that come from the factory. Sometimes they'll deviate from the norm for a 'few' cars without warning.
Also keep in mind folks that Porsche's have always been VERY customizable from the factory. Older Porsches are famous for having little things that no one knows about from the factory...
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - flash - 02-28-2007
interesting stuff - is the box sealed? more more pics please
always amazes me that we continue to find things in car that were not on the option list - custom ordered stuff - cool
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - Mark - 02-28-2007
Yes they appear to be sealed and I am trying to figure out how to open it without destroying it. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> I don't think anything was custom just the standard 10 speaker setup for the cab assuming they are counting that as two speakers per side in the back. I'm also assuming the 490 option meant 10 speaker. There are three in each door and those funky boxes in the back.
Right now I'm trying to find the amp that I know is out there somewhere since I have the internal amp in the head unit turned off and I still have a lot of sound coming out. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/smile.gif" class="smilie" alt="" /> Looked under both seats and nothing there, nothing in the cubbies or the trunk.. I was hoping to do this without ripping all of the carpet up tracing wires. <img src="/forum/images/smilies/968/sad.gif" class="smilie" alt="" />
Extra place in doors for oval speaker - RPM - 02-28-2007
I have also seen various amplifier set-ups. I have 2 amps - one under each seat. 928 part numbers.
Those crazy Germans. A couple of Jagermeisters and who knows what they will install back in the dark corners...