[ds968]

Just got this email from Paragon - so they now have front and rear Koni coil-overs that fit a 968, with no re-work needed.. simply bolt-on & go ?!

This also seems to be a very reasonable price for the entire kit, IMO..

from the email :

" Coil-Over Kit - A1 Koni Cup

Our Price: $1,247.50

Everyone wants the biggest BANG for the buck. You will find our Koni Cup Coil Over Kit has the best combination of value and performance. The Koni Cup Kit is a true front and rear coil over kit. Our kit is complete with all the best hardware for a trouble free install and long dependable service. You can add the Koni Cup Kit to your existing torsion bars or if you want to remove torsion bars you can rest easy there will be no rubber bushings to fail.


Fits 924S, 944 85.5-91, 968 "

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[PorscheDude]

I just saw that yesterday. Looks like a great kit for the money.
The also have a big sale on regular koni's.

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[flash]

that's a pretty good price for the setup, considering there aren't a lot of rear options going, and if you pieced it together, it would cost you a whole lot more than that

however...........

it doesn't say no re-work needed - in fact, it says they are inserts only - looks like you would still need to cut the housings - when they say a "true kit" i think they mean a matched set, and they bolt on fairly easily, at least in the rear

something to remember, the torsion bars do the load bearing - any single spring you add would raise the rear just because you would need to preload it to keep it from flying loose when the wheel drops (that's why you have those little flat springs in there dan)

still a pretty good deal though, even after adding the other things needed

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[968Syncro]

Ok, folks, sorry, have to stick my neck out, I really don't understand all the issues with shocks and struts.

Ok, so paragon has these nice babies for $1,247.50 for all 4 corners. (got the email also).

However, an alternative is Performance Products:
- front shocks, "Koni Performance Shocks, Front Shock (Sport Gas) " for $199.00 each http://www.automotion.com/product.asp?pf_i...mp;dept_id=4988
- Autzone has Bilstein rear shocks for $111.99 each. autozone rear shock
Or a total of $621.98.

So I honestly don't understand what do I get for twice the price? Aren't Koni and Bilstien both good brands, why wouldn't I get the lesser priced stuff? Not trying to make any point, just could use a tutorial. I always hear about all the issues, but don't understand the difference between Koni and Bilstien, I guess Boge is a lesser brand. And what do the coil overs give me? I already got springs/tortion bars! Thanks, any comments appreciated.

Roland

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[wjk_glynn]

Here's a URL for the kit: http://www.paragon-products.com/Coil_Over_...oni_cup_kit.htm

Karl.

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[flash]

synchro -

the performance product item you linked to is cartridge only - you still have to install them in a housing after modifying it - they do not allow for adjustable ride height

the shock you linked to is just a shock - no springs - no adjustments at all

the paragon kit includes threaded collars to allow for ride height adjustment and also includes new springs of your choice of a few rates

the paragon kit includes adjustable shocks that allow addition of springs, as well as the springs themselves, and the standoff piece to allow them to be bolted up

apples and oranges really - a lot more stuff than just cartridges and shocks, albeit with some "complications" i see that they don't seem to mention

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[968Syncro]

Flash,

Thanks, I have more study to do. Let's assume for the sake of my questions, I just want new shocks, not an upgrade, so I don't need adjustments, or selectable spring rates like the Paragon struts, and let's say I don't want to adjust the ride height with collars. Besides I have no idea what spring rate would be good [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img]

Why do I have to install them in a housing, or a modified housing? Maybe the example I sent was wrong. Aren't there just plain old front shocks that I can replace if mine are bad? Don't I already have a housing? Is there some problem with the 968 where the OEM shocks aren't made anymore?

So, I just want to replace all 4 shocks with OEM-like stuff, is that possible? Do I still have to cut the housing? Aren't there just plain 4 regular old shocks I can buy?

Roland (the SW guy trying to solve HW problem) [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/laugh.gif[/img]

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[T-Bone]

Flash,

Is this the setup that you and I talked about last Saturday? Is this what I need? I haven't checked out the link yet but will. It sounds awfully close to something I need to pull the trigger on...


T-Bone

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[flash]

it's close - i see some problems with the setup - ring me up and i'll tell you what you need in addition and differently to what they are providing to make it work right

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[ds968]

interesting to see the Paragon kit's lowest spring rate is 250, whether front or rear. 250 in the rear [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/ohmy.gif[/img] might be a tad much [img]style_emoticons/<#EMO_DIR#>/blink.gif[/img]

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[flash]

lol - ya think?

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[flash]

it's a little misleading the way they wrote the description

it isn't complete as stand alone rear coilovers because you still have to remove the torsion bars and install rigid torsion tube bushings (delrin or polybronze)

most of the springs they list for the rear are really too stiff for the street if you keep the torsion bars (for example we put 90# springs in dan's car to balance against 250# up front) - they need to include some really softer springs for those who don't want a nutty ride

there also needs to be a spring tender in there to keep the spring from dropping free when the wheel drops - without that, you need to add a bit of preload to the rear spring to keep it in place, and that will lift the rear end - this is EXACTLY what started me on the slippery slope with my rear suspension

i'm not entirely sure the upper hats for the rears will clear the sheet metal arm that is up there - i can't really tell from the photo - but, all of the other aftermarket coilover shock kits for the rear of our car have offset upper shock bushings for a very real reason - it might though - need to see it in there to be sure

that doesn't mean that the kit can't be made to work - i'm sure they've done it - you just need some more stuff

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[wjk_glynn]

Ground Control offers a more complete Koni based kit. It includes the front strut housings and adjustable camber plates

But it's more money, costing ~$1,900

See: http://www.ground-control-store.com/produc...tion.php/II=762

And here's a pic:



Karl.

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[RS Barn]

Both of these kits require re-indexing the torsion bars. That takes about 10 hours at the shop. You can't run any spring on the back without re-indexing on Konis. Even the MO30 100lb spring had repositioned T Bars
I do have a kit for more serious performance. It's Bilstein Turbo Cup based and uses dual springs front and rear but it's $2200 or so. But you save 10hrs labor so it is actually more cost effective due to better components IMO
Pete

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[Motorsport]

<!--quoteo(post=70297:date=Apr 12 2009, 10:04 AM:name=RS Barn)-->QUOTE (RS Barn @ Apr 12 2009, 10:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}><!--quotec-->Both of these kits require re-indexing the torsion bars. That takes about 10 hours at the shop. You can't run any spring on the back without re-indexing on Konis. Even the MO30 100lb spring had repositioned T Bars
I do have a kit for more serious performance. It's Bilstein Turbo Cup based and uses dual springs front and rear but it's $2200 or so. But you save 10hrs labor so it is actually more cost effective due to better components IMO
Pete<!--QuoteEnd--><!--QuoteEEnd-->


What is the Bilstein Turbo Cup-based kit like? Too stiff for street and / or dual-duty track-and-street use?

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