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"Are my 25+ year old airbags safe?"
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A frequent, not-unreasonable question is whether or not the 968's airbag system is still safe, what the maintenance requirements are, and whether a prospective owner should consider disabling the system. 

 

The short answers are that, yes, the airbags are still safe, that the maintenance is minimal, and that disabling is probably not a good idea. 

 

<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">The airbag units themselves have a very long service life and do not need to be replaced/deactivated unless there is another problem with the system.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">There is no Porsche recommendation as far as timeframe for replacement. Other manufacturers vary in terms of their recommendations. MB requires pre-1992 airbags be replaced at 15 year intervals - but have stated that from 1992 on, like Porsche, Mercedes airbags have no service life limit.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">In the early 90's, the IIHS crash tested a pair of 1973 Impalas which had the ur-first-generation GM airbag system installed. Both cars had over 100K miles on them and various electrical and mechanical faults. The airbags, however, functioned perfectly. 

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Per Porsche, periodic dealership inspection (every 2 years) is recommended; however, the dealership "maintenance" involves only a check confirming that the airbag warning light functions and a visual inspection of the system. Otherwise the system is presumed to be operating as intended.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">The SRS system completes an auto-diagnostic every time the car is started. The airbag light comes on and goes out in 5 seconds? That's the auto-diagnostics checking out OK. That's pretty much all that needs to be done as far as maintenance on these cars.


As noted in the attached article (which, again, contains quite excellent information) the 1st gen Porsche SRS requires complete replacement of sensors, control unit, and airbag module in case of deployment. All parts are still available new from the dealership- but are staggeringly expensive.


The 968 system is front-impact only. There are no side-impact sensors. There is a safety system in the control module which prevents accidental deployment when the car is stationary. There must be a rapid deceleration for the airbags to deploy - they are very unlikely to just go off randomly. It's actually a fairly sophisticated system, for the era. Even though they have some years on them, the Porsche engineers knew what they were doing and the airbag system is well-designed and robust.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Looking at the available data - both from the NHTSA and additional studies - the safety profile between first and second generation airbags IN A COLLISION - for "normal sized" adult drivers - is pretty much identical. The studies I looked at showed about a 1.5% absolute reduction in risk of death with second generation vs first generation airbags - a statistical wash. There has actually been some debate that second-gen airbags - introduced around 1995 and depowered mainly to reduce risk of injury/death for children - are LESS safe than first-generation airbags in a serious crash. One study showed 46% INCREASED risk of serious thoracic injury (related to the crash, not airbag itself) with second-gen airbags as compared with first-gen units.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">That said, the NHTSA has been pretty clear that the risk of injury from the airbag itself is definitely higher with first-gen vs second-gen airbag systems (which our system predates). Between 1990-2003, there were 54 known driver deaths due to first-gen airbags - over 259 million vehicle years - or about one death due to a first-gen airbag for every 5,000,000 vehicle years. By comparison, between 1995-2003 there were 27 known driver deaths due to second-gen airbags (non-SLED plus SLED-certified) over 529 million vehicle years - or about one death due to a second-gen airbag for every 20,000,000 vehicle years.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">So from an absolute perspective, second gen airbag systems are about four times safer for the driver in terms of harm from the airbag itself. BUT - they may not protect as well as the older first-gen airbags in an actual serious collision.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">From a relative perspective, the driver is very, very unlikely to be seriously injured or killed by the 968's airbag. You'd have to own your car 5 million years, on average, to have a fatal event because of the airbag. Few of us will own our cars that long.  Tongue It's not even worth worrying about.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">In terms of harm reduction - with first-gen airbags holding the wheel at 9-3 instead of 10-2 is actually quite important. As is maintaining at least 10 inches of distance between the driver and steering wheel.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">The passenger airbag is more problematic in our cars, because there is no way to safely disable it and because it points directly forward out of the dash. No child under 13 should ever - EVER - be in the front seat. I would consider 5'2" to  5'4" to be the height threshold for allowing a teenager or adult to sit in the front passenger seat. And - my personal opinion - the passenger seat should always be positioned all the way back, at all times, whenever anyone is riding shotgun.

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">Also - if the passenger airbag ever deploys - the cover will flip upward with enough force that it is very likely to shatter the windshield. So that will need to be factored into the insurance adjustment as well.  Big Grin

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<p style="color:rgb(40,40,40);font-family:helvetica, arial, sans-serif;">This is all just based on my internet research - I don't have any actual training or experience in this regard - so please just take it all as my opinion.

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#2

Excellent info.

Thanks for posting.


Because I have long arms (and legs) I am not very close to the steering wheel of any car I drive which should help with how hard the bag hits.

About 5 years ago when we T-boned someone who blew through a stopsign I barely felt it when the airbags deployed in our Acura MDX. My wife in the passenger seat did get hit somewhat harder by her airbag though.
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#3

When I hit the wall at Thunderbolt my passenger airbag deployed. It was supposed to have been removed. It worked perfectly. It also cracked the window. Since the car was totaled it didn’t matter. The more important piece here was that the cockpit stayed intact and protected me.
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#4

The 968 is my only vehicle with airbags...


My other cars are not for the track, but does NASCAR use airbags?? F1?


Get yourself good seats and belts... If you track it, get a head restraint... Better than airbags!


And a solid well designed car (like the 968) than can take a hit...
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#5

Quote:does NASCAR use airbags?? F1? ..


Lol, I think their “ driver cage “ may offer just slightly better protection than the 968. ;-)
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#6

Yeah, Well if you're driving your 968 at 200+ MPH, then please add a cage...
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#7

I've driven it at 165 +   ( it's supercharged ) ..at which speed, another 35 mph, won't make much difference.    :glare: 

 

But yeah, in most normal driving conditions I agree  that the 968 design and restraint system is likely adequate, except in a significant force head on collision, where the air bag is most certainly a life saver..or at least preventing you from living the rest of your life as a vegetable.   

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#8

Well, ok...even at "only" 165 MPH I'd think a good seat, much better restraints (including one for your head), etc. would be the thing to do.


I guess I'm more reserved than you...not sure I've even hit triple digits in mine...did hit 166 MPH in a 911 GTS two years ago on the autobahn where it's actually legal and maybe safer?? But, in the right setting, right track, 165 would be OK...but, mine isn't supercharged, so it couldn't get there.
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#9

My wife and I have an agreement that when she can't stand my mental decline any longer (many years in the future, of course) she's to disable the airbags in my Porsche and point me at a large cliff.  Thelma, Louise and Bob, the Sequel!

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#10

I only did that once after the SC was installed just to see what top speed the car can attain . Once the speed was reached I immediately let off the gas. Never to be repeated, because there is no need for anything even close to it. Got it out of my system, and thats it . 85-90 is about my limit nowadays and even that is very rare, and again in very short spurts , if there is no traffic around.

But not sure how I would feel about driving a car without an airbag , just in case of that one in a million head on collision.


Bob, that ending is way to dramatic .. you can use the 968 in the same manner I will , when the time comes, also many many years from now . Parked in the locked garage, engine on, after consuming a super expensive bottle of cognac or wine, comfortably sinking into your seat, and let the fumes carry you away into the afterlife where you will be greeted by all the other pharaohs who were buried with their chariots ( and canoes for crossing the river of death of course ). Although considering how clean the emissions of the 968 are, that may take a loooooong time , and youll likely have to refill the tank a couple of times. So its a safe car in any situation ,,except falling off of a cliff.
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#11

That exit plan would presume one is of sound mind.  Nothing I've been accused of in the past.

 

And, as you pointed out, with the extremely clean emissions I would probably have to drown in cognac first Beer

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#12

Having crashed a 968 that involved full airbag deployment, I can honestly say they 'work' - however, the damage they cause at full-deployment is, in-itself, catastrophic.

 

Aside from the costs of the airbags, the passenger airbag cover will 'hinge' at the top and remain connected to the dash.  The airbag deployment will send the lower-edge of the airbag cover upward HARD, and will slam into the windshield with violent force, destroying the windshield glass.  

 

Airbag deployment will GREATLY increase the volume of air into the cabin.  This increased air-pressure blew my car's sun-roof panel off of the car like a champagne cork.  It sailed upward about ten feet, then landed on the car/asphalt.  Both the panel and the sun-roof gear/motor mechanism were damaged.  Airbag deployment has been known to warp the door frames, making the door-seals less functional and prone to leaks around the seal edges.  

 

The impact I suffered wasn't 'that' serious - but the cost of both airbags, the windshield, the sun-roof, its mechanism, the dashboard, the sensors, the body-work from the sun-roof impact, etc. etc. etc......sent the bodyshop repair-bill into 'totaled' territory fast.  

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#13

Very good info ( and rather startling as well ), thanks for posting that .   I suspected an airbag deployment would cause enough damage to total a car whose AVERAGE market value is as low as ours .  You could convince the insurance company otherwise with solid documentation proving that you had a car in concours condition with a commensurate value, but it’ll be an uphill battle. 

Not sure about other states, but if you remove the airbag in California ( and the insurance company finds out ) they will not only cancel your policy but you won’t be able to get it insured again becuase if the interconnected insurance marketplaces network which exchanges information on causes of cancelled policies just as much as they do accidents, etc.  If they find out in the event of an accident, not only will they decline any payment for damages to your car, but they will invalidate any and all coverages under that policy so if you injure someone else in that accident and looking at a significant liability, you’re SOL.    And if that wasn’t enough you can also face criminal charges for removing any safety features from a car in Ca.   Many states may have the same or similar restrictions so if you’re contemplating removing the air bags I suggest you check all of the above noted very carefully .  Last, air bags may not save cars, but they do save lives, even if you end up with a few scrapes and bruises and burns , better than dead or paralyzed .   IMHO 

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My wife hit a light standard a pretty good rate driving our first Audi Avant. Ca was total the impact pushed the engine to one side and the pole penetrated the passenger side as far as the front right suspension. All the airbags went off as expected. Car was totaled by the insurance company. She came out of the accident with a contusion on one cheek and badly bruised hands. So air bags definitely save lives as does the manner in which cars have been designed for a while now. The controlled rate of collapse or energy absorption design sacrifices the car in order to save the occupants.

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#15

That is interesting information about the sunroof - I had not thought about it before although of course it makes sense. The passenger bag in particular is huge on these cars. 

 

I wonder to what extent the airbag considerations impacted the decision to design the sunroof mechanism with nylon gearing. It hadn't occurred to me before. I replaced my plastic gears with the brass URO parts. Guess I should drive with my roof up from now on. Big Grin

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#16

I presume our cars do not have the notorious Takata air bags ( some Porsches do have those, but I can’t find any info re what brand is in the 968 ) ?  If we did, I imagine we would have been part of the 37 million cars which were recalled a few years ago ...?   

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Quote:I presume our cars do not have the notorious Takata air bags ( some Porsches do have those, but I can’t find any info re what brand is in the 968 ) ?  If we did, I imagine we would have been part of the 37 million cars which were recalled a few years ago ...?   
 

Our 968's do not have Takata airbags.

 

Jay
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Thanks Jay, good to know . 

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#19

I might be able to tell you in a few days from now which is the the brand of the airbag.

As it happens that i bought a second hand 968 steering wheel with airbag.

 

I'm in Finland at the moment, but will be home end of this week.

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