[flash]

common sense has finally entered the arena, and the absurd veiled attempts to prevent abortion have been defeated.  it is absolutely unfathomable that enlightened people would take this long to agree that a woman has the right to determine whether or not she wants to bring a child into this world or not.  at least the better minds have seen through the ruse, and cast it down.

 

personally, i'd like to see permits required before anybody can have children.  not sure what that interview process should be like, but at the rate of population growth, even the most conservative estimates say that the planet will not be able to support the people on it in 35 years.  less conservative estimates say in 20.  if we don't do something extremely soon, we won't have to be worrying about much else.

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[ds968]

Damn, that was one of MY new business ideas , right alongside tne Cattlemen's Ranch restaurant franchises in India , and the ladies bikini swimwear shops in Saudi Arabia . Oh well ..back to the drawing board for new ideas..

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[flash]

lol - i'm actually serious.  there is a big demand for it (and if there isn't, based on the narrow minded thinking that often comes out of that area there should be, even if retroactively), and now there is an opportunity.

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[ds968]

Oh I know you're not kidding but one has to keep in mind this is in Texas ( soon to be called TEXIT ..following in footsteps of BREXIT, lol ) so if you open an abortion clinic you better get a Kevlar flap jacket, bulletproof the facility's windows and doors and make sure you have the national guard protect you coming and going to and from work .. Just sayin'.

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[Rap]

It's an election year. Abortion is an election year issue.

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[flash]

lol - correct.  any other time it is a non-issue.  it's a basic health care right.  that's why the supreme court ruled the way they did........again.

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[ds968]

And a day later, on a related " reproductive " note : https://www.yahoo.com/news/supreme-court...43417.html

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[Rap]

I don't know why that pharmacy didn't just say we don't carry that drug and leave it at that!

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[flash]

the article says it's because the law requires that they deliver them all in a timely manner.  they can't pick and choose.

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[WJH]

Please disregard.

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[Langley968]

Since the topic of abortion has been brought up by some, I feel compelled to chime in. On other occasions I have refrained from bringing the topic up, since this is a "car forum", even though there is a broad range of topics that are covered here. As long as people are able to conduct themselves in a mature manner, it should be ok... (right?)

 

Most people have a (strong) opinion (one way or the other) on the topic. The reality for most, is that they are "at arms length" from it. Not so for me... 

 

My context:

I was given up for adoption at birth. My conception was the result of a 16 year old girl having a "summer romance" with a 20 year old young man back in the summer of 1963. Once the pregnancy came to light, my birth mother's parents decided to send her "to live with an aunt in the city". The information given to her classmates, was that "she was doing her grade 11 school year in the big city". In reality, she never spent any time with an aunt. She went to live at a home that was set up by the department of Social Welfare for mothers with "unwanted" pregnancies. They would live at the center, do their schooling there, eventually have the baby, give it up for adoption and then return home to carry on life "as usual".  

 

I was adopted by two wonderful people. The gave me a GREAT life! My father passed away a few years ago but mom is still alive at 89 and receives monthly financial assistance from myself and my wife. She is loved by my 5 children (and their spouses). They all take time out of their busy schedules to call her on a regular basis AND travel across the country to visit her. The love she receives, makes her the envy of the "lonely" seniors wasting away in the assisted living home where she lives.

 

Here is a "simple" question that I pose to those who call themselves "enlightened" on this topic: 

Because of how my conception came about, was I not entitled to LIFE? Why would YOUR life be more precious than MINE?     

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[Rap]

From a devils advocate perspective, you have accurately, from your position, framed the question on how it relates to you and your experience. There is no problem with that and certainly you are entitled to your opinion. However, a woman's decision on whether to have an abortion or not is perhaps one of the most difficult decisions they can make during their life. Often times their are multiple factors to weigh when making this decision.

The final decision is ultimately the woman's. Just as the decision to use or not to use prevention is the woman's. Again, many factors can influence this decision. I certainly don't consider myself enlightened. As a Catholic this position runs counter to the dictates of my supposed religious beliefs.

As societies have advanced beyond hunt and gather through agrarian through industrial and so on, the advancement brings with it better living and a host of other advantages. One of these is choice. I'm not always comfortable making decisions for others that really have nothing to do with me .

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[flash]

this is a car forum, but there are areas like this for good reasons.

 

to answer the question, i would argue that nobody is ENTITLED to life.  survival of the fittest.  that may also refer to the situation.  further, birth begins when that baby breathes air, and not a minute before.  nobody is arguing about aborting babies after birth, though i would welcome that argument as well, as i don't think that all babies should live either.  imagine how much the human race could advance if we did some selective breeding, and filtered out genetic flaws.  i chose not to have children, because i knew for certain that i would bring into the equation characteristics of my parents that i did not think should be perpetuated in the gene pool.  filtering out genetic flaws would produce a stronger and healthier species.  we do that with every other domesticated species on the planet.  why not humans?

 

again, and before anybody makes the pathetic hitlerian reference that frequently happens when a weak mind can't come up with a real argument, i'm not sure how the filtering process would work in reality, and i sure don't want to be the one to make that decision, but the concept is sound.

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[94SilverCab]

I like the fact that we can discuss the most contentious topics of the day in a civilized manner, please feel free to contribute.

 

If I recall, the only topic that got way out of hand was NASCAR

 

Jay

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[flash]

it is extremely cool that we can do this, and i for one am very proud of the membership

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[az968]

I'm glad I have the right to choose when it comes to NASCAR. ?

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[94SilverCab]

I'm glad I have the right to choose when it comes to NASCAR.

Yeah, if you're a toothless hillbilly... :ninja:

 

j/k

 

Jay

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[Kim]

In a true Darwinian sense, survival of the fittest simply means that organisms with certain mutations may be afforded a better opportunity to survive than other members of the species and, if the mutation is heritable, may pass the advantage on to their offspring, thereby changing the overall genetic pool in favour of the mutation and advancing the species forward.

 

Tall dandelions growing in gassy fields and short dandelions growing on lawns are the result of natural selection, but old animals dying because they cannot keep up with the herd are not.

 

I do not object to abortion, but I think that it would be difficult to have selective breeding amongst humans if it was done by humans. We might not select for traits that increased survival of the fittest but instead might select only for traits that serve the needs of the selectors. We do that now with dogs, horses and a lot of other things, and not all are more "fit" than the original stock.

 

I recommend a book by E.O Wilson called Sociobiology; the ants and bees are really better evolved that we are.

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[flash]

i would argue that "fittest" would not necessarily mean as would be determined by nature.  what is fit to one person is not necessarily fit to the next.  as i said, i'm not sure what filters would be applied, and i don't want to be the one making those decisions, but a filtering process, wherein particular characteristics and genetic compositions are filtered out, is a sound concept.

 

for example, we could filter out the predilection to only turn left - ba dum bum

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[94SilverCab]

But, selective breeding has clearly not worked in some cases, several dog breeds for example where good qualities were evoked, but also bad characteristics, like hip dysplasia in German Shepard, for example.

 

Jay 

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